Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Pier Fumagalli wrote: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I nominate Pier Fumagalli for membership in the Jakarta PMC, for a period exceeding that of any Italian post-war government. +1 I thank you and esteem the trust you guys have in me, and I feel honored of this nomination. But (there's always a but) I literally have no bandwidth to bear the oversighting responsibilities that a PMC member should fulfill. If I have/want to be a PMC member, I need to be an active one. Therefore, although extremely flattered by this offer, I will have to reject. I have a more-than-full time job, two major involvements with two open source projects outside the scope of this PMC (Jetty and Cocoon), two cats and I'm also trying to work on the girlfriend part... LOL, the final statement show clearly that Pier will have less time for OSS since 'girlfriend part' (I'm married so trust me ;) Thank you very much for your support and friendship... BTW, with or without Pier at PMC, Apache Commiters should recognise Pier as a mandatory system admin ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Sam Ruby wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: What do you means by passed the PMC nomination ? I'm confused with the original mail where many commiters were elected as Jakarta PMC members ? The ASF chairmain maintains a list of members of each of the PMCs in cvs. If you are an ASF committer, check out cvs module commiters, look in a directory named board, and you will find a file named commitee-info. Henri: your name appears in the Jakarta PMC list. If you would like it to be removed, let me know. You're kidding ;) I'm more than honored to be in PMC and wonder if there is some 'private lists' to subscribe to Regards and thanks again for the nomination - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Sorry, my mistake - I was thinking about all vote results in general, i.e. whatever gets voted on various parts of jakarta. The problem is that even on the projects that I track, it is sometimes difficult to figure out what was the vote result - after the vote text changes few times and people change their vote and so on. I've been involved in setting up a few closed projects, work and publicly funded, involving collaborations of people from all over. One thing that we've tried successfully is this.. A motion is proposed then after 72 hours of voting, perhaps 5 days would be more suited here, it is the responsibility of the proposer to post the result back to the list on which the motion was proposed. Only when the result is posted by the proposer is the motion formally accepted or defeated. No changes to the motion are allowed, you would have to defeat the motion and propose an alternative. Likewise no additions are allowed, instead another motion should be proposed. It would only take 5 minutes to adopt this and it might a little extra discipline to, or remove some abiguity from, the Jakarta voting rules. d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
robert burrell donkin wrote: the following committers have passed the PMC nomination vote proposed by sam ruby: - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff i'm sending this to let you all know. the role of jakarta PMC is changing but rather than give an opinion and pretend some authority i don't have, take a look at this thread: What do you means by passed the PMC nomination ? I'm confused with the original mail where many commiters were elected as Jakarta PMC members ? On Sun, 02 Feb 2003, Rob Oxspring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: General Several people have been elected as new members of the Jakarta PMC, they are [1] Nicola Ken Barozzi Robert Burrel Donkin Stephen Colebourne Martin Cooper Henri Gomez John Keyes Larry Isaacs Otis Gospodnetic Thomas Mahler Remy Maucherat Glenn Nielsen Andrew C Oliver Rob Oxspring Martin Poeschl Scott Sanders David Sean Taylor Glen Stampoultzis Mladen Turk James Turner Henri Yandell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: the following committers have passed the PMC nomination vote proposed by sam ruby: - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff i'm sending this to let you all know. the role of jakarta PMC is changing but rather than give an opinion and pretend some authority i don't have, take a look at this thread: What do you means by passed the PMC nomination ? I'm confused with the original mail where many commiters were elected as Jakarta PMC members ? I am more than you are, as my name pops on and off the proposed PMC members as yours does depending on the mood of the day... Pier :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Henri Gomez wrote: What do you means by passed the PMC nomination ? I'm confused with the original mail where many commiters were elected as Jakarta PMC members ? The ASF chairmain maintains a list of members of each of the PMCs in cvs. If you are an ASF committer, check out cvs module commiters, look in a directory named board, and you will find a file named commitee-info. Henri: your name appears in the Jakarta PMC list. If you would like it to be removed, let me know. I have not sumbitted the latest round on the off chance that there are any remaining challenges to be made. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Pier Fumagalli wrote: I am more than you are, as my name pops on and off the proposed PMC members as yours does depending on the mood of the day... Pier, let me make this quite clear: I want you to be a member of the Jakarta PMC. Any time anybody submits your name, I will vote +1. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:43 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: I am more than you are, as my name pops on and off the proposed PMC members as yours does depending on the mood of the day... Pier, let me make this quite clear: I want you to be a member of the Jakarta PMC. Any time anybody submits your name, I will vote +1. I nominate Pier Fumagalli for membership in the Jakarta PMC, for a period exceeding that of any Italian post-war government. geir - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I nominate Pier Fumagalli for membership in the Jakarta PMC, for a period exceeding that of any Italian post-war government. +1 I thank you and esteem the trust you guys have in me, and I feel honored of this nomination. But (there's always a but) I literally have no bandwidth to bear the oversighting responsibilities that a PMC member should fulfill. If I have/want to be a PMC member, I need to be an active one. Therefore, although extremely flattered by this offer, I will have to reject. I have a more-than-full time job, two major involvements with two open source projects outside the scope of this PMC (Jetty and Cocoon), two cats and I'm also trying to work on the girlfriend part... Thank you very much for your support and friendship... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:13 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: the following committers have passed the PMC nomination vote proposed by sam ruby: - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff i'm sending this to let you all know. the role of jakarta PMC is changing but rather than give an opinion and pretend some authority i don't have, take a look at this thread: What do you means by passed the PMC nomination ? one of the problems we have in the commons is the number of votes which spawn threads which go on for ever without any clear conclusion. that's why i think that announcing clearly when a vote is finished is a good thing. this particular round of voting starts with sam: http://marc.theaimsgroup. com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104518242028805w=2 sam suggests that the vote is finished here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ ?l=jakarta-generalm=104569451208501w=2 why forward the result to the relevant people? in the last round some people elected were never even informed. i think that the people should be informed: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104568409524148w=2 sam replies: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104568599627074w=2 so that's why i forwarded the result to everyone concerned. is this an experiment which shouldn't be repeated? or does it just need refining? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
robert burrell donkin wrote: one of the problems we have in the commons is the number of votes which spawn threads which go on for ever without any clear conclusion. that's why i think that announcing clearly when a vote is finished is a good thing. IMO all vote results should be at least posted to the pmc list. The PMC should be able to at least review the results. Things like adding new dependencies to a project, moving code, releases, major changes need to be very visible to the entire PMC, even if few members are involved in each project. ( dependencies are particulary important, if they are not under apache-like licence ) Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Jeffrey Dever wrote: Vote results? It unclear even when a vote is taking place and who the nominees are. I thought we just finished a round on the 19th with an agreement that these should be done in batches. Now Pier is up as a nominee again and after one vote from Sam (who suggested the batches in the first place) has already declined! Agreed. It seems like a stupid thing to suggest, but a more formal structure may work [I hate it when people try to setup rules in which things will work]. ie) Collection of nominations Voting on nominations Offering of position Refusal or Acceptance I think a while back the discussion existed [on Jakarta General] that people should not be informed they've been nominated until successful so as to avoid issues. Last week I was happy working on my project. Then I find out that voting rights on releases will be taken away unless I join the new expanded PMC. But the process appears to be in shambles. Again, I think we need a little common-sense process: Project votes on readiness for release. Project requests permission for release via their PMC members, who get such permission via a vote on the PMC list. This has some issues, for example String Taglib [one of mine]. I'm not sure anyone else but me really has any interest/investment in it, so I could happily sit trying to get a release vote without anyone really caring to +1. When the PMC decided to expand from 7 to up to the number of committers worth of members, nobody thought to spend 45 minutes creating a voting servelt to streamline the process? 98% of us are programmers and all we could come up with was completely chaotic +1/0/-1 on a mailing list? The perils of an open/meritocratic community. We're all supposed to just leap in and believe we have a right to go do something. There's rarely anyone who is prepared to speak for the community. insert quote about herding cats and open source I imagine the problem is that +1/0/-1 has worked in the past, but no one has considered the fact that it doesn't scope on an individual level. All I want to do is write code and manage HttpClient to a full release. Its all I have time for. Already this PMC chaos is taking more time than I want to spend on it. Belonging to community seems to burn time :( You guys are freaking me out. Common sense seems to usually prevail. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:23 PM, Jeffrey Dever wrote: Vote results? It unclear even when a vote is taking place and who the nominees are. I thought we just finished a round on the 19th with an agreement that these should be done in batches. Now Pier is up as a nominee again and after one vote from Sam (who suggested the batches in the first place) has already declined! WTF? Batches? we don't need no steenking batches. Seriously - there seems to be quite a bit of angst over this. Since the goal is having the PMC indistinguishable, for the most part, from the committer base, why not do it by invitation? People who positively respond are in... Wouldn't this achieve the goal faster? Last week I was happy working on my project. Then I find out that voting rights on releases will be taken away unless I join the new expanded PMC. But the process appears to be in shambles. When the PMC decided to expand from 7 to up to the number of committers worth of members, nobody thought to spend 45 minutes creating a voting servelt to streamline the process? 98% of us are programmers and all we could come up with was completely chaotic +1/0/-1 on a mailing list? All I want to do is write code and manage HttpClient to a full release. Its all I have time for. Already this PMC chaos is taking more time than I want to spend on it. Cool - can you get rid of the logging dependence? I just started using HttpClient because I gave up on the JDK HttpConnection in disgust, and it's not quite drop-in if it requires logging ;) You guys are freaking me out. Costin Manolache wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: one of the problems we have in the commons is the number of votes which spawn threads which go on for ever without any clear conclusion. that's why i think that announcing clearly when a vote is finished is a good thing. IMO all vote results should be at least posted to the pmc list. The PMC should be able to at least review the results. Things like adding new dependencies to a project, moving code, releases, major changes need to be very visible to the entire PMC, even if few members are involved in each project. ( dependencies are particulary important, if they are not under apache-like licence ) Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
All I want to do is write code and manage HttpClient to a full release. Its all I have time for. Already this PMC chaos is taking more time than I want to spend on it. Cool - can you get rid of the logging dependence? I just started using HttpClient because I gave up on the JDK HttpConnection in disgust, and it's not quite drop-in if it requires logging Its open for discussion. Bring it up on the commons-httpclient-dev list. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Jeffrey Dever wrote, On 21/02/2003 23.23: ... Last week I was happy working on my project. Then I find out that voting rights on releases will be taken away unless I join the new expanded PMC. Not exactly. *Eventually* it will happen, but there is no taking away voting rights, and certainly not now. Being part of the PMC won't change your way of doing things for now, other than making the PMC fully aware of the proceedings. ... When the PMC decided to expand from 7 to up to the number of committers worth of members, nobody thought to spend 45 minutes creating a voting servelt to streamline the process? 98% of us are programmers and all we could come up with was completely chaotic +1/0/-1 on a mailing list? Well, this is how all Apache operates, I wouldn't expect to wait for a better system just to get it going. As for the servlet, it would be interesting. All I want to do is write code and manage HttpClient to a full release. That won't change. Its all I have time for. Already this PMC chaos is taking more time than I want to spend on it. It's transitory. Don't expect it to be normal business. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Jeffrey Dever wrote: Vote results? It unclear even when a vote is taking place and who the nominees are. I thought we just finished a round on the 19th with an Sorry, my mistake - I was thinking about all vote results in general, i.e. whatever gets voted on various parts of jakarta. The problem is that even on the projects that I track, it is sometimes difficult to figure out what was the vote result - after the vote text changes few times and people change their vote and so on. If the vote results would be posted to pmc ( or checked in some CVS or anything like that ) - it would be easier for all people to get an idea of what's happening, even in projects they're not directly involved. IT's not only for PMC - it is a useful information for everyone. Last week I was happy working on my project. Then I find out that voting rights on releases will be taken away unless I join the new expanded PMC. But the process appears to be in shambles. No vote right will be taken - quite the contrary :-) Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
from:Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suggestion: let's call this round complete at this time, and start a new round next month. I'll notify the board later tonight that everyone in the following list (minus Pier) is to be added to the Jakarta PMC: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104518242028805w=2 At the same time, I will also request that Stephen Colebourne be dismissed without prejudice [1] from the roster of the Jakarta PMC. Aw hell, I was about to mail in and say that the arguments had been persuasive enough to convince me to give the PMC a try. Oh well, never mind. I'll carry on committing anyway... (In case it wasn't spotted, most of my complaint was about not being notified. Finding out by newsletter was in my view unacceptable) Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
the following committers have passed the PMC nomination vote proposed by sam ruby: - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff i'm sending this to let you all know. the role of jakarta PMC is changing but rather than give an opinion and pretend some authority i don't have, take a look at this thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104561165403863w=2 i hope you'll accept the nomination. - robert On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:41 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: snip Suggestion: let's call this round complete at this time, and start a new round next month. I'll notify the board later tonight that everyone in the following list (minus Pier) is to be added to the Jakarta PMC: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104518242028805w=2 At the same time, I will also request that Stephen Colebourne be dismissed without prejudice [1] from the roster of the Jakarta PMC. Next month, lets start with the nominations that didn't quite make this round, and add to the list. - Sam Ruby [1] http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d062.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
At 19:26 13.02.2003 -0500, you wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 I'd like to add Mark Womack to the list of candidates. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
hi ceki wouldn't it be less confusing to have a separate vote for mark? while i'm thinking about it, is general or pmc the right place for votes of this kind? - robert On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:15 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 19:26 13.02.2003 -0500, you wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 I'd like to add Mark Womack to the list of candidates. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Hi Robert, I think Mark's nomination follows the sprit set by Sam's initial note. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104275438831116w=2 As such, I don't see a need for a separate vote. At 22:16 19.02.2003 +, you wrote: hi ceki wouldn't it be less confusing to have a separate vote for mark? while i'm thinking about it, is general or pmc the right place for votes of this kind? - robert On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:15 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 19:26 13.02.2003 -0500, you wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 I'd like to add Mark Womack to the list of candidates. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Nominating like this seems counter-productive. At least in the spirit it usually occurs. ie) lots of +1's thrown about on the list etc. It'll be a nightmare. Why not just go into a nomination phase in which someone [I'm happy to do this if need be] collates a list of nominations, and then the entire list is voted on. Then each person's number of votes are counted to make sure they got the required amount [for example, I plan to only +1 2 of the httpclient people as I've never heard of the other one. I don't know if this is the right spirit, but it feels right. I even suspect that people shouldn't vote on people who share projects with them, so PMC people become those who are a part of the community automatically]. Just a view against the 'jump right in and nominate a person at a time' idea. Hen On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Ceki [iso-8859-1] Gülcü wrote: Hi Robert, I think Mark's nomination follows the sprit set by Sam's initial note. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104275438831116w=2 As such, I don't see a need for a separate vote. At 22:16 19.02.2003 +, you wrote: hi ceki wouldn't it be less confusing to have a separate vote for mark? while i'm thinking about it, is general or pmc the right place for votes of this kind? - robert On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:15 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 19:26 13.02.2003 -0500, you wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 I'd like to add Mark Womack to the list of candidates. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Henri Yandell wrote: Just a view against the 'jump right in and nominate a person at a time' idea. +1 FYI: My preference is for monthly batches. My aim was to complete each batch in time for the board meeting, but this one went astray... Suggestion: let's call this round complete at this time, and start a new round next month. I'll notify the board later tonight that everyone in the following list (minus Pier) is to be added to the Jakarta PMC: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104518242028805w=2 At the same time, I will also request that Stephen Colebourne be dismissed without prejudice [1] from the roster of the Jakarta PMC. Next month, lets start with the nominations that didn't quite make this round, and add to the list. - Sam Ruby [1] http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d062.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:25 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Hi Robert, I think Mark's nomination follows the sprit set by Sam's initial note. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104275438831116w=2 As such, I don't see a need for a separate vote. my reasoning was purely pragmatic :) last time, some names were attached in a similar way but failed to gain the required votes because no one was aware that it was a separate vote. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
robert burrell donkin wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 12:26 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
On 17/2/03 7:25 Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier, Ceki, Jason and Ted are covered by the re-add former PMC members who want to be PMC members again plan you've hinted at. I wasn't on the PMC last year, it was two years ago... Anyhow, I am on the PMC list only because I respond to webmaster@jakarta, and sometimes it's useful to forward stuff over there. BTW, if someone in the PMC wants to take on that job, I can't handle it that well ATM, so it might be better served by someone more close to Jakarta as a whole. As I am no longer involved with any of the Jakarta subproject, please don't consider me as an active PMC member (not even an inactive PMC member)... On 21/1/03 19:14 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All good nominations. Pier, Ceki, Jason, and Ted previously served as PMC members and declined their renominations, but I plan to talk to them about that. At a minimum, they will be restored as emeritus members. Sam, I literally have no bandwidth to bear the oversighting responsibilities that a PMC member should fulfill. If I have/want to be a PMC member, I need to be an active one, one more passive name on the list just adds confusion IMO. Take care y'all... Pier (BTW, I read general once a week, so for urgent stuff, CC me) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, these were names that did not attract sufficient number of +1's the first go around. Really? I didn't realize it was and thought it must have been some kind of mail hickups. Add my +1 to all of them. Pier, Ceki, Jason and Ted are covered by the re-add former PMC members who want to be PMC members again plan you've hinted at. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 12:26 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 (i can't see the original VOTE but i don't suppose that matters) +1 - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is the vote in which you got nominated :) Mvgr, Martin +1 (i can't see the original VOTE but i don't suppose that matters) +1 - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Martin van den Bemt wrote: This is the vote in which you got nominated :) Mvgr, Martin However, these were names that did not attract sufficient number of +1's the first go around. At the moment - unless I missed an email - the only PMC members that have expressed a vote on these names are Robert and I. +1 (i can't see the original VOTE but i don't suppose that matters) http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=104317563423493w=2 +1 - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Martin Cooper wrote: Just curious - Greg's board meeting summary didn't mention this, so I'm wondering what the status is. The board needs take no action... unless they object within 72 hours of the notification, the following people are now part of the Jakarta PMC: Nicola Ken Barozzi Robert Burrel Donkin Stephen Colebourne Martin Cooper Henri Gomez John Keyes Larry Isaacs Otis Gospodnetic Thomas Mahler Remy Maucherat Glenn Nielsen Andrew C Oliver Rob Oxspring Martin Poeschl Scott Sanders David Sean Taylor Glen Stampoultzis Mladen Turk James Turner Henri Yandell I do not expect any issues, so people on this list should feel free to subscribe to the pmc mailing list (I'll moderate through the requests), and update http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html appropriately. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin. +1 to both. It is my intent to declare this vote closed immediately prior to tomorrow's ASF board meeting, and notify the board of the new PMC members at that time. PMC members who have not voted and wish to do so, speak now or forever hold your peace. ;-) - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sam Ruby wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin. +1 to both. +1 Conor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The criteria you used for nominating people seems a bit weird to me. Release managers I understand somewhat, but contributers to the newsletter? That's like saying those that baked cookies for the last board meeting should be nominated. Weird. Arbitrary. Rewards self-promotion, not necessarily merit. I am especially disturbed since your list of release managers is definitely incomplete. What did you use to generate this list? I distinctly remember that Morgan Delagrange served as release manager for Commons Collections last spring. He is also currently the release manager for Jelly. Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff I nominate all of them. (And why not, if the PMC is to become a fairly arbitrary but huge group of permanently installed members.) One last note - please indicate your intended timeframe and deadline when you call for the vote rather than later in the thread. Thanks, Chuck Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:59:09 -0500 From: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations [SNIP] So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject: [SNIP] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Charles Burdick wrote: The criteria you used for nominating people seems a bit weird to me. Release managers I understand somewhat, but contributers to the newsletter? That's like saying those that baked cookies for the last board meeting should be nominated. I have a lot more respect for the newsletter than that. Weird. Arbitrary. Rewards self-promotion, not necessarily merit. Don't forget, incomplete. I am especially disturbed since your list of release managers is definitely incomplete. What did you use to generate this list? Ah, you did't forget. Good. I distinctly remember that Morgan Delagrange served as release manager for Commons Collections last spring. He is also currently the release manager for Jelly. Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan for the PMC. Damn, I wanted to do that. ;-) Now that I think of it, let me just skim through the Jakarta-Announcements archive from various points last year. - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Pier Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff I nominate all of them. (And why not, if the PMC is to become a fairly arbitrary but huge group of permanently installed members.) All good nominations. Pier, Ceki, Jason, and Ted previously served as PMC members and declined their renominations, but I plan to talk to them about that. At a minimum, they will be restored as emeritus members. One last note - please indicate your intended timeframe and deadline when you call for the vote rather than later in the thread. Hmm. Me thinks Chuck may have the makings for a good PMC chair someday. I hear that there may be a vacancy shortly... ;-) - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sam Ruby wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: The criteria you used for nominating people seems a bit weird to me. Release managers I understand somewhat, but contributers to the newsletter? That's like saying those that baked cookies for the last board meeting should be nominated. IMHO, this mail (Charles) was a lot nastier than was warranted. When Sam put his list out, I assumed it was incomplete, appended some folks and he +1'd them. All that needed to be said was the same :-) (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JustDoIt) +1 to all those nominated.. . (even Ceki :-p) Hmm. Me thinks Chuck may have the makings for a good PMC chair someday. I hear that there may be a vacancy shortly... ;-) What Sam, you don't like being spanked from both ends on a regular basis? -Andy - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sam wrote: Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC. I should take this opportunity to let everyone know that James' commiters have voted to do this. We see it not as leaving Jakarta, but growing up. We're pretty much autonomous in our day-to-day workings, we have a mature code-base and a self-sustaining (if compact) community, and although we keep our eyes on the rest of Jakarta the only part we're closely tied to is Avalon, and they're moving too. As far as I'm concerned there is no goodbye in all of this, its just a normalisation of the status-quo. Jakarta contains many fertile brains which James would be mad to ignore, James will continue to look to Jakarta as a role model and a key resource, and I hope as individuals, we can continue to be involved in the life and progress of the project. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 for all. +1 for Glen Stampoultzis ( cutpasted last name :-) and Robert Burrel Donkin. Costin Sam Ruby wrote: Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions. Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it is clear that the ASF concept of a Project Management Committee permits a significantly larger number of PMC members per project than I, at least, had ever presumed. Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I don't want to propose any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But the goal should be clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people who are actively and consistently monitoring the code. So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject: [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi [ ] Stephen Colebourne [ ] Martin Cooper [ ] Henri Gomez [ ] John Keyes [ ] Larry Isaacs [ ] Otis Gospodnetic [ ] Thomas Mahler [ ] Remy Maucherat [ ] Glenn Nielsen [ ] Andrew C Oliver [ ] Rob Oxspring [ ] Martin Poeschl [ ] Scott Sanders [ ] David Sean Taylor [ ] Mladen Turk [ ] James Turner [ ] Henri Yandell Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active, and more nominations (particularly those that chose to contribute to the newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint, hint). Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects that chose to remain in Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in particular release votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That does not mean that all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that it will be from this pool of members that release votes will be cast. Clearly there will need to be a number waves of additions like the one above to the PMC before we get to this point. Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC. Now for some fine print: * nominees may chose to decline without giving any reason * only current PMC member's votes are binding * once the vote completes, PMC membership is not effective until 48 hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of these votes. Let the voting begin! - Sam Ruby P.S. My vote is +1 on all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi [ ] Stephen Colebourne [ ] Martin Cooper [ ] Henri Gomez [ ] John Keyes [ ] Larry Isaacs [ ] Otis Gospodnetic [ ] Thomas Mahler [ ] Remy Maucherat [ ] Glenn Nielsen [ ] Andrew C Oliver [ ] Rob Oxspring [ ] Martin Poeschl [ ] Scott Sanders [ ] David Sean Taylor [ ] Mladen Turk [ ] James Turner [ ] Henri Yandell On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin. +1 to all of them. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are the current PMC members automatically re-upped? And it sounds like there won't have to be a massive all-committer election like last year, which I'm sure will be a relief to Dirk. ;) Sounds like Jakarta PMC membership will become more like Apache membership; once you're in, you can stay in as long as you remain active. - Morgan --- Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions. Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it is clear that the ASF concept of a Project Management Committee permits a significantly larger number of PMC members per project than I, at least, had ever presumed. Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I don't want to propose any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But the goal should be clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people who are actively and consistently monitoring the code. So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject: [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi [ ] Stephen Colebourne [ ] Martin Cooper [ ] Henri Gomez [ ] John Keyes [ ] Larry Isaacs [ ] Otis Gospodnetic [ ] Thomas Mahler [ ] Remy Maucherat [ ] Glenn Nielsen [ ] Andrew C Oliver [ ] Rob Oxspring [ ] Martin Poeschl [ ] Scott Sanders [ ] David Sean Taylor [ ] Mladen Turk [ ] James Turner [ ] Henri Yandell Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active, and more nominations (particularly those that chose to contribute to the newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint, hint). Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects that chose to remain in Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in particular release votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That does not mean that all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that it will be from this pool of members that release votes will be cast. Clearly there will need to be a number waves of additions like the one above to the PMC before we get to this point. Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC. Now for some fine print: * nominees may chose to decline without giving any reason * only current PMC member's votes are binding * once the vote completes, PMC membership is not effective until 48 hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of these votes. Let the voting begin! - Sam Ruby P.S. My vote is +1 on all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Morgan Delagrange http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs http://jakarta.apache.org/commons http://axion.tigris.org http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions. Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it is clear that the ASF concept of a Project Management Committee permits a significantly larger number of PMC members per project than I, at least, had ever presumed. Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I don't want to propose any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But the goal should be clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people who are actively and consistently monitoring the code. So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject: [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi [ ] Stephen Colebourne [ ] Martin Cooper [ ] Henri Gomez [ ] John Keyes [ ] Larry Isaacs [ ] Otis Gospodnetic [ ] Thomas Mahler [ ] Remy Maucherat [ ] Glenn Nielsen [ ] Andrew C Oliver [ ] Rob Oxspring [ ] Martin Poeschl [ ] Scott Sanders [ ] David Sean Taylor [ ] Mladen Turk [ ] James Turner [ ] Henri Yandell Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active, and more nominations (particularly those that chose to contribute to the newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint, hint). Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects that chose to remain in Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in particular release votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That does not mean that all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that it will be from this pool of members that release votes will be cast. Clearly there will need to be a number waves of additions like the one above to the PMC before we get to this point. Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC. Now for some fine print: * nominees may chose to decline without giving any reason * only current PMC member's votes are binding * once the vote completes, PMC membership is not effective until 48 hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of these votes. Let the voting begin! - Sam Ruby P.S. My vote is +1 on all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis who is the current release manager for the Jakarta POI project. I also propose Glen shorten his last name to no more than 6 letters so that I can spell it instead of copy and pasting it. -Andy Sam Ruby wrote: Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions. Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it is clear that the ASF concept of a Project Management Committee permits a significantly larger number of PMC members per project than I, at least, had ever presumed. Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I don't want to propose any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But the goal should be clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people who are actively and consistently monitoring the code. So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject: [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi [ ] Stephen Colebourne [ ] Martin Cooper [ ] Henri Gomez [ ] John Keyes [ ] Larry Isaacs [ ] Otis Gospodnetic [ ] Thomas Mahler [ ] Remy Maucherat [ ] Glenn Nielsen [ ] Andrew C Oliver [ ] Rob Oxspring [ ] Martin Poeschl [ ] Scott Sanders [ ] David Sean Taylor [ ] Mladen Turk [ ] James Turner [ ] Henri Yandell Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active, and more nominations (particularly those that chose to contribute to the newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint, hint). Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects that chose to remain in Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in particular release votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That does not mean that all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that it will be from this pool of members that release votes will be cast. Clearly there will need to be a number waves of additions like the one above to the PMC before we get to this point. Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC. Now for some fine print: * nominees may chose to decline without giving any reason * only current PMC member's votes are binding * once the vote completes, PMC membership is not effective until 48 hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of these votes. Let the voting begin! - Sam Ruby P.S. My vote is +1 on all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 for all (although not binding). Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin. He is current release manager for commons-beanutils and is preparing the betwixt (first) release now. Mvgr, Martin On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 22:59, Sam Ruby wrote: Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
