RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-18 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 10:48 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Noel J. Bergman wrote: My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC.

RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sandy, I meant ALL of us. The whole PMC. Not a selected group, which eliminates the problem of having to come up with a selection criteria. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-17 Thread Danny Angus
On 16/03/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poorly explained by me. The file would be deleted once it had served its purpose. Oh OK my misunderstanding, that changes things a bit. An alternative is a mail thread to which everyone must answer to remain on the PMC - however a file in

RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-17 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Noel J. Bergman wrote: My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC. Why not just send out e-mail to the PMC members asking them if

[PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
Previously I'd suggested that we should be cleaning up inactive committers and inactive PMC members - because I'm a bit of a tidy-addict sometimes and I enjoy deleting :) A thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED] convinced me that this was half wrong though - we shouldn't be worrying about cleaning up

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Roland Weber
Hi Hen, My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC. If it goes well we could consider doing it periodically, or just when it feels like the numbers are

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Ahh, you're American. You do realize Europeans take like 5 month vacations? I don't care a whole lot so long as I'm exempted because I commit in spurts like once every 2-3 years ;-) -Andy Henri Yandell wrote: Previously I'd suggested that we should be cleaning up inactive committers and

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Danny Angus
Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16/03/2006 08:14:08: My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC. If it goes well we could consider doing it

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Gomez
2006/3/16, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ahh, you're American. You do realize Europeans take like 5 month vacations? Hum, 5 weeks in France - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Henri Gomez wrote: 2006/3/16, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ahh, you're American. You do realize Europeans take like 5 month vacations? Hum, 5 weeks in France - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
Nope, English. 4 week of holiday there minimum, though I'm sure I'd be on 5 or 6 if I'd stayed - it tends to increase inversely to the amount you have time to take. Hen On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Ahh, you're American. You do realize Europeans take like 5 month

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Roland Weber wrote: Hi Hen, My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC. If it goes well we could consider doing it periodically,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Danny Angus wrote: Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16/03/2006 08:14:08: My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, Generally +1 to what Henri said, with the following exception: Poorly explained by me. The file would be deleted once it had served its purpose. There's no overwhelming need to delete it, and it could be a useful historical record. I'd say keep it in SVN. Yoav

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Nathan Bubna
On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ Nah, we're into a realm where legitimacy is defined by whatever we decide to do. Technically our charter says we need a 75% of the PMC vote to remove someone - we're not going to get that and it's not a rule that scopes. We probably

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Sandy McArthur
On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously I'd suggested that we should be cleaning up inactive committers and inactive PMC members - because I'm a bit of a tidy-addict sometimes and I enjoy deleting :) A thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED] convinced me that this was half wrong

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread sebb
On 16/03/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Scenarios are... Danny proposes to de-select Robert (just an example mate, I'd never do that:-). a)No votes cast. Robert goes. b)Some people vote +1 but Robert votes -1. He gets to stay. Nope, he gets to leave. A -1 from the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Martin Cooper
On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously I'd suggested that we should be cleaning up inactive committers and inactive PMC members - because I'm a bit of a tidy-addict sometimes and I enjoy deleting :) A thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED] convinced me that this was half wrong

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Martin Cooper
On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Roland Weber wrote: Hi Hen, My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Martin Cooper wrote: On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously I'd suggested that we should be cleaning up inactive committers and inactive PMC members - because I'm a bit of a tidy-addict sometimes and I enjoy deleting :) A thread on [EMAIL

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Sandy McArthur wrote: On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously I'd suggested that we should be cleaning up inactive committers and inactive PMC members - because I'm a bit of a tidy-addict sometimes and I enjoy deleting :) A thread on [EMAIL

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Sandy McArthur
On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Sandy McArthur wrote: On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously I'd suggested that we should be cleaning up inactive committers and inactive PMC members - because I'm a bit of a tidy-addict sometimes

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
Firstly, thanks for these emails Sandy. It's a good wake up call for me, and I should explain why I'm being so anti-community. We're out of sync with the ASF - I'm pretty confident that the view that was reached a few years ago that Jakarta should not be a huge umbrella has not changed. If

RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC. Why not just send out e-mail to the PMC members asking them if they want to remain active? We have done this

RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
there are no written down rules that I know of for what a PMC member should do (that'd be unnecessary bureacracy). The written rules for the ASF are http://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html.PMCs would make their lives a whole lot simpler if they would facilitate human participation and

Re: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Sandy McArthur
On 3/17/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC. Why not just send out e-mail to the PMC members