Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-02 Thread Stephen McConnell
Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: What I would like to do is to hear from Howard himself (or anyone working on the HiveMind project)! I'm particularly interested in how Avalon can leverage some of the technologies in HiveMind, and I'm equally confident in the ability of Avalon to provide

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I say that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally, I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be encouraged to do so; however,

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 11/30/03 11:56 PM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew: Why don't you just get to the issue. You chose to piss on project your not involved with, not interested in, and not even tracking. From this position, you chose to criticise both the project and me personally.

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote in haste: I say that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally, I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Perhaps you missed that part of my message. No - I didn't miss anything. What you could do is try to add some rationalization around your arguments instead of making negative assertions about a project you are not involved with and are not interested in. The rest of

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
I prefer to see Hivemind established as a community (as far as I know Howard is the only member of the community ATM) before exploring as you say. I see no reason to deprive Howard of the opportunity to establish Hivemind and build a community. That's what is, in fact, surprising

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 12/1/03 2:02 AM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of discussion. Excellent. -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 12/1/03 2:47 AM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you ended our discussion? Okay I guess not. My point continues to be that I don't think Howard should be forced and that if HiveMind builds a community, it is perfectly welcome here regardless of cooperation with Avalon.

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-30 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I don't think that Avalon has any right to have a stranglehold on all service frameworks. Andrew: The Avalon community very aware of the the different approaches that exist. If your following the Avalon dev list you would be aware of ongoing discussions concerning

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework / status

2003-11-26 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:29 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework +1 - there is room enough. On a related

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-14 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
Of Stephen McConnell Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on my personal home page: Howard: Are you open to the idea

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-13 Thread Stephen McConnell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on my personal home page: Howard: Are you open to the idea of discussing some mutual areas of interest? There are a number of aspects of the work you are doing that are complimentary with the work on-going in

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under the Jakarta umbrella. We have projects with a much smaller scope as normal jakarta projects and we have and had framework projects such as Cocoon, Avalon or Turbine outside of the commons. IMHO the scope of HiveMind is already

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread Danny Angus
I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under the Jakarta umbrella. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, if the criteria are met and the political implications of creating a new sub-project are acceptable. Otherwise a spell in commons will help to cement the community

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread hlship
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under the Jakarta umbrella. Isn't that what this proposal is proposing? If it isn't, then [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the wrong list to propose it to. We have projects with

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread Danny Angus
Howard wrote: 3) Chuck it over to Avalon I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and vice-versa, but they are really quite different beasts. The type-1 vs. type-2/type-3 split is intrinsic and difficult to reconcile. HiveMind's concept of a module doesn't map so

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread J Aaron Farr
FYI: I think someone wanted this to get forwarded to the Avalon 'general' mailing list, but since that doesn't exist, I thought I'd send it to our dev list. For the Avaloners: There's been a bit of discussion lately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about what to do with Hivemind seeing that it has

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread Berin Loritsch
J Aaron Farr wrote: FYI: I think someone wanted this to get forwarded to the Avalon 'general' mailing list, but since that doesn't exist, I thought I'd send it to our dev list. For the Avaloners: There's been a bit of discussion lately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about what to do with Hivemind

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
An article on The Server Side (http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=22371) started me thinking again about HiveMind today. The major issues mentioned there are the same as mentioned by Howard below: I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and vice-versa,

[Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Nayak, Prashant
Proposal for the HiveMind Project (0) Rationale HiveMind is a simple framework for creating pluggable, configurable, reusable services. Simple: HiveMind is a way to create a network of services in terms of Java interfaces and classes; it cherry picks the most useful ideas from Service

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Mike
Please turn off your receipt request when posting. ::-Original Message- ::From: Nayak, Prashant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ::Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:35 PM ::To: Jakarta General List ::Subject: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework :: :: :: ::Proposal for the HiveMind Project

[Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Michael Fraenkel
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Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Daft question, possibly, but could someone summarise the IP issue that was happening over HiveMind and how it is currently resolved. I've not been following the thread, but I've seen the noise. Is everything squared away and happy? Hen On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Nayak, Prashant wrote: Proposal

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
So this proposal is dependent on the grant? Any time line on that? [not trying to get in the way, jsut to do the pmc-thing] On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The offending IP has been taken off-line: this includes the HiveMind CVS repository, the temporary downloads directory and

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread hlship
From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long before any real action is necessitated. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Cool. Could this be added as a note to the proposal? As a dependency or whatever. Hen On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Nayak, Prashant
: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long before any real action is necessitated. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:46 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long before any real

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Martin Cooper
Accepting this proposal as currently written would also involve the acceptance of five new individuals as Apache committers. Based on where the HiveMind repo currently is/was, that implies giving five unknowns (to me, anyway) access to Jakarta Commons as a whole. I'm not so sure I'd be willing to

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread hlship
Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for HiveMind, as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many dependencies, etc.). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry Accepting this proposal as

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Quoting: Note: the current code base reflects an alternate package name, org.apache.commons.hivemind. Subsequent research has shown that HiveMind is not a suitable candidate for the Jakarta Commons. The existing code base will be migrated to the new package during the transition out of the

[Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Christopher C Mitchell
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Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for HiveMind, as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many dependencies, etc.). Even if it were proposed that Hivemind stay in jakarta-commons, I do not share Martin's