[draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
Added thanks for the award.
Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is nitpicking.
Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion 
to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the concept of a leading 
contributor.

Hen
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Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
Hi Kate,
I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT 
Productivity Winner award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work 
the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.

I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT 
product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might be 
reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:

http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to The 
Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss.

There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not 
have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync with 
the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software 
Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase, many 
of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.

We would like to request that this be changed to:
Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)
in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005 
issue.

Officially the name of the product is Apache Tomcat 5.0 and not just 
Tomcat 5.0, but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd 
like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of the 
ASF is fine.

Many thanks,
Henri Yandell
V.P., Apache Jakarta
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Mladen Turk
Henri Yandell wrote:
Specifically to Remy/Mladen, does this seem acceptable to you with your 
JBoss hats on?

Personally I don't care.
If those things bother you guys, do what ever you wish.
Regards,
Mladen.
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Stephen Colebourne
While not directly involved with Tomcat, some code I have written via 
commons probably is included in Tomcat distros.

My comment is simply that I found the pdf description rather distasteful and 
definitely worthy of gentle correction.

We all have lines that we don't want to see crossed, and each person has a 
line in a different place. Simply put, this crossed my line.

+1 to sending the mail
Stephen
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From: Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Added thanks for the award.
Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is 
nitpicking.

Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion 
to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the concept of a leading 
contributor.

Hen
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Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
Hi Kate,
I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT 
Productivity Winner award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work 
the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.

I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT 
product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might be 
reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:

http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to The 
Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss.

There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not 
have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync with 
the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software 
Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase, many 
of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.

We would like to request that this be changed to:
Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)
in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005 
issue.

Officially the name of the product is Apache Tomcat 5.0 and not just 
Tomcat 5.0, but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd 
like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of the 
ASF is fine.

Many thanks,
Henri Yandell
V.P., Apache Jakarta
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
I think this is great.  More inline...
On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
Added thanks for the award.
Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is 
nitpicking.

Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their 
discretion to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the 
concept of a leading contributor.

Hen
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Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
Hi Kate,
I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the 
JOLT Productivity Winner award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of 
the work the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.

I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT 
product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it 
might be reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:

http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to The 
Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss.

There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not 
have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync 
with the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache 
Software Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat 
codebase, many of whom are employed by other companies or contribute 
individually.

We would like to request that this be changed to:
Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)
in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 
2005 issue.

Officially the name of the product is Apache Tomcat 5.0 and not just 
Tomcat 5.0, but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether 
you'd like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent 
mention of the ASF is fine.

I'd actually gently push as we want this to be named Apache Tomcat 
5.0.

Officially, the name of the project is Apache Tomcat 5.0, and not 
just Tomcat 5.0, and we'd appreciate the change if that was 
possible.

:)
Well done!
geir

Many thanks,
Henri Yandell
V.P., Apache Jakarta
Aw, spell this out.  You want this to be as impressive as it can be for 
this :

Henri Yandell
Vice President, Apache Jakarta Project
The Apache Software Foundation
:)
geir

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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 20:40 +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote:
  Hi Kate,
  
  I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the
  JOLT Productivity Winner award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of
  the work the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
  
  I'm also writing to let you know about a [serious] error on your JOLT
  product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might
  be reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
 
 I would drop serious

+1

  http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
  
  The release [incorrectly] attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to The
 
 Also the incorrectly

+1

  Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss.
  
  There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not
  have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync
  with the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software
  Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase,
  many of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.
  
  We would like to request that this be changed to:
 
 request sounds a bit harsh ...what about see

+1

  Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)
  
  in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005
  issue.
  
  Officially the name of the product is Apache Tomcat 5.0 and not just
  Tomcat 5.0, but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd
  like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of
  the ASF is fine.
 
 ...always play nice on the first contact.

+1

sometimes less says more :)

am i right in thinking that the importance of pushing Apache Tomcat
now is about trademark issues? 

(one neat way of diffusing this the whole issue might be for the
attribution to be corrected but a quote given by remy of jboss)

- robert


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