Re: [site] Removing things
On 12 Jan 2005, at 04:01, Henri Yandell wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Henri Yandell wrote: 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. NOT DONE. i'd really prefer to leave the actual pages and the links from news/index.html. they come to an end at an good point (the end of a year) and are now very widely indexed and some highly ranked. in other words, they achieved their aim which was to all people to easily find accurate information about ASF projects and sub-projects. i'm happy to stop adding any more since www.apachenews.org is more comprehensive and better maintained but for a lot of the information in these pages, jakarta news was (at that time) the primary news source. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On 11 Jan 2005, at 19:40, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Alas ... I would be very sad if my two-and-a-half-year efforts could *not* be appreciated. i (for one) certainly appreciate your efforts. anyone who's visited www.apachenews.org or watched the cvs commits on jakarta-site2 can't fail to acknowledge the hard, unsung leg work you've put in. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alas ... I would be very sad if my two-and-a-half-year efforts could *not* be appreciated. My personal -1 to #8 (non-SUN-related translations only, though) -- Tetsuya On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST) (Subject: [site] Removing things) Henri Yandell wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Alas ... I would be very sad if my two-and-a-half-year efforts could *not* be appreciated. Dug a bit further. Due to the wonders of fonts on this Windows box, I'd only seen '??' for the links to your translations and thought that all your site does is translate the front page. Now I see that some of the underlying projects are translated, sorry. I'll hold off removing the translations for the moment. I'll add jajakarta in though. My personal -1 to #8 (non-SUN-related translations only, though) 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. non-SUN? What's the relationship between jajakarta and terra-intl btw? I see that you mention it at the bottom of the page. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dug a bit further. Due to the wonders of fonts on this Windows box, I'd only seen '??' for the links to your translations and thought that all your site does is translate the front page. Personally, BCEL translation was very hard (I bought two books on byte-code engine for that translation :-) to accomplish. # http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/bcel/manual.html What's the relationship between jajakarta and terra-intl btw? I see that you mention it at the bottom of the page. Nothing, nothing. We once proposed the cross-links each other. Currently jakarta.terra-intl.com links directly to the each translation pages of jajakarta.org (according to that promise), and jajakarta.org does *not* to ours. -- That's all about. # ONE-WAY, ONE-WAY. -- Tetsuya. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Tetsuya, Personally, BCEL translation was very hard (I bought two books on byte-code engine for that translation :-) to accomplish. # http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/bcel/manual.html It's kind of amazing that you did all of your translations single-handed. What's the relationship between jajakarta and terra-intl btw? I see that you mention it at the bottom of the page. Nothing, nothing. We once proposed the cross-links each other. Currently jakarta.terra-intl.com links directly to the each translation pages of jajakarta.org (according to that promise), and jajakarta.org does *not* to ours. -- That's all about. # ONE-WAY, ONE-WAY. Ooh, that's terrible. I'll make sure we get the links up. # Actually, I was also wondering about the relationship. I wasn't there when it happened. I also recently noticed that we both have translations of jakarta-commons. Haven't looked further into which components, but it would be a pity if we had duplications. Best regards, -- Shinobu -- Shinobu Kawai Yoshida [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Henri Yandell wrote: 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. DONE 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. NOT DONE. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. DONE. Additionally I've changed 'News Status' to News in the RHS nav, and removed the elsewhere news from the front page. I've promoted the ApacheCon advert to a top level headline. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. NOT DONE. Per Martin's -1. I have changed it to Ex-Jakarta as he suggested. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. DONE. It now lives at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/java_at_apache.html, though I've not linked that page in yet. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. DONE. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. DONE. 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. NOT DONE as per Tetsuya's -1. I've added Ja-Jakarta in and made it a separate section. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Still planning to do all of the below on Tuesday night except for 4), the removal of the Graduated section. Hen On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Henri Yandell wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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#8 (langauages) is a pity. Are we planning on trying to fomalize the relationship? To cut them off seems a bit of a disservice after a lot of effort, although equally inaccurate info can be damaging. Also, I'd like to see a section on the left for dormant projects. That doesn't have to be done tomorrow, but it would clarify the main list. Stephen - Original Message - From: Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still planning to do all of the below on Tuesday night except for 4), the removal of the Graduated section. Hen On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Henri Yandell wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Stephen Colebourne wrote: #8 (langauages) is a pity. Are we planning on trying to fomalize the relationship? To cut them off seems a bit of a disservice after a lot of effort, although equally inaccurate info can be damaging. Well, the only ones who've got back so far are the only translation site not on the page :) [jajakarta] Also, I'd like to see a section on the left for dormant projects. That doesn't have to be done tomorrow, but it would clarify the main list. Yeah, me too. It's later on my list of things to push for. I'll add it to the wiki. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) -- Martin Cooper 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? I think Graduated is best replaced by: News item on graduation that stays prominent for a few months. Some kind of larger [EMAIL PROTECTED] page. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:28:34 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Then let's just call it Ex-Jakarta. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? 6 months to a year. Let me ask the reverse question: How long would you keep the link to a subproject once it leaves? Would you remove it as soon as the project leaves, or keep it around for a while? If the latter, why wouldn't you move it to an Ex-Jakarta section instead? I think Graduated is best replaced by: News item on graduation that stays prominent for a few months. Some kind of larger [EMAIL PROTECTED] page. It's not clear to me that people will go and read the News section if they can't find the link to the subproject. After all, if there's no link, then it can't be a Jakarta subproject, so why would there be Jakarta news about it? -- Martin Cooper 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:28:34 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Then let's just call it Ex-Jakarta. Seems okay :) I'll promote this suggestion to a new thread, see if anyone disagrees. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? 6 months to a year. Let me ask the reverse question: How long would you keep the link to a subproject once it leaves? Would you remove it as soon as the project leaves, or keep it around for a while? If the latter, why wouldn't you move it to an Ex-Jakarta section instead? Spent an hour pondering it, and I'm swayed by your arguments. I'm happy too keep the links to old Jakarta sites. The only real problem it causes us is when things get closed (Avalon), but those projects should have sites kept up anyway. By News section, I'd meant the front page. Given the tighter mock, an item in the news section of the front page is pretty prominent, but it's probably more valueable spacewise than the bottom left of the navbar, so maintaining links to ex-jakarta is much better. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Any comment on this? Can 'Our Mission' go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:38:17 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:28:34 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Then let's just call it Ex-Jakarta. Seems okay :) I'll promote this suggestion to a new thread, see if anyone disagrees. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? 6 months to a year. Let me ask the reverse question: How long would you keep the link to a subproject once it leaves? Would you remove it as soon as the project leaves, or keep it around for a while? If the latter, why wouldn't you move it to an Ex-Jakarta section instead? Spent an hour pondering it, and I'm swayed by your arguments. I'm happy too keep the links to old Jakarta sites. The only real problem it causes us is when things get closed (Avalon), but those projects should have sites kept up anyway. And hopefully what happened with Avalon won't happen very often... By News section, I'd meant the front page. Given the tighter mock, an item in the news section of the front page is pretty prominent, but it's probably more valueable spacewise than the bottom left of the navbar, so maintaining links to ex-jakarta is much better. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Any comment on this? Can 'Our Mission' go? I guess so. It just feels like something we should have, but, as you mentioned, we don't really have much of anything to say at the moment. -- Martin Cooper - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] Removing things
Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
