Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-02 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:18:14 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: it would be far more effective to ensure that the announcements are made to the right lists, that the resources which are important now (java.net, apachenews.org, serverside.com) receive the news and that users know which

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:18:14 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: it would be far more effective to ensure that the announcements are made to the right lists, that the resources which are important now (java.net, apachenews.org, serverside.com) receive the

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-02 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Henri Yandell wrote: e.g. http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_index.html http://www.apachenews.org/archives/2004_12_index.html Rather, http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_2004_12_index.html O.K. Makes sense. See here:

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: e.g. http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_index.html http://www.apachenews.org/archives/2004_12_index.html Rather, http://www.apachenews.org/archives/cat_apache_jakarta_2004_12_index.html O.K. Makes sense. See here:

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 29 Dec 2004, at 20:44, Henri Yandell wrote: snip 4) Various parts of Resources struck out. I think this was all covered in previous emails. I think www.apache.org covers these issues now and we don't have to. FWIW some of the content (and the stuff you moved) is covered. unfortunately,

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 29 Dec 2004, at 16:10, Henri Yandell wrote: I'm a fan of the www.apache.org look and how it gives us a lot more usability in terms of available column space. I'd like to change Jakarta to the 3-columns (though not the lf or anything). Switching to 3-columns means less space in the center for

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 29 Dec 2004, at 16:10, Henri Yandell wrote: I'm a fan of the www.apache.org look and how it gives us a lot more usability in terms of available column space. I'd like to change Jakarta to the 3-columns (though not the lf or anything).

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 29 Dec 2004, at 20:44, Henri Yandell wrote: snip 4) Various parts of Resources struck out. I think this was all covered in previous emails. I think www.apache.org covers these issues now and we don't have to. FWIW some of the content (and the

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:45, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 29 Dec 2004, at 16:10, Henri Yandell wrote: I'm a fan of the www.apache.org look and how it gives us a lot more usability in terms of available column space. I'd like to change Jakarta to the

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:54, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 29 Dec 2004, at 20:44, Henri Yandell wrote: snip 4) Various parts of Resources struck out. I think this was all covered in previous emails. I think www.apache.org covers these issues now and we

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:45, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 29 Dec 2004, at 16:10, Henri Yandell wrote: I'm a fan of the www.apache.org look and how it gives us a lot more usability in terms of available

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:54, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 29 Dec 2004, at 20:44, Henri Yandell wrote: snip 4) Various parts of Resources struck out. I think this was all covered in previous emails. I think

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such afaik) Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide basis. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed. As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed. --- Noel - To unsubscribe,

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Jan 2005, at 15:36, Noel J. Bergman wrote: unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed. As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed. good. effectively is still lost as far as links are concerned

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Jan 2005, at 12:31, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 1 Jan 2005, at 11:54, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 29 Dec 2004, at 20:44, Henri Yandell wrote: snip 4) Various parts of Resources struck out. I think this

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed. As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed. effectively is still lost as far as links are concerned Well, if people

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Jan 2005, at 15:36, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such afaik) Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide basis. cool. what's the right to set about doing this? - robert

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread sebb
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:01:27 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html Changes: 3 column Strikethrough of links/pages I'd like to kill. Less news. Removal of Related section (aim

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin asked: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such afaik) Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide basis. cool. what's the right to set about doing this? Send e-mail to [EMAIL

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Jan 2005, at 18:55, Noel J. Bergman wrote: robert burrell donkin asked: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such afaik) Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide basis. cool. what's the right to set about

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, sebb wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:01:27 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The aim would also be to switch entirely over to the XSL build version which seems to work fine and dump Anakia creation. Have you tried the XSL version of the binary and source pages?

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Tom Evans
snip Vendor Support (List of 13 companies - surprised no one is against this removal) Hen - There's a time for everything, I suppose. Speaking as one of the companies listed, we are quite pleased to be identified in a small way as part of the Jakarta community. However, I also understand

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-31 Thread Shinobu Kawai
Hi Henri, Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html 3) I struck out the Japanese link. Less bothered about this one, but it's no longer a translation of the Jakarta site in Japanese and seems to be more of a commercial site now. While you're

Translations of Jakarta Was: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-31 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Shinobu Kawai wrote: Hi Henri, Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html 3) I struck out the Japanese link. Less bothered about this one, but it's no longer a translation of the Jakarta site in Japanese and seems to be more of a

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-30 Thread Stephen Colebourne
What I was thinking of for projects is something like: ++ |=Projects===| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia| | * etc... | +--Graduated-+ | * Ant | | * etc... | ++ I have two concerns with this: It takes up more space and nothing else

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-30 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:26:15 -, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I was thinking of for projects is something like: ++ |=Projects===| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia| | * etc... | +--Graduated-+ | * Ant | | * etc...

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-30 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Stephen Colebourne wrote: What I was thinking of for projects is something like: ++ |=Projects===| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia| | * etc... | +--Graduated-+ | * Ant | | * etc... | ++ I have two concerns with

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-30 Thread Henri Yandell
Another hour or so of walking the baby and thinking and I've responded somewhat to Stephen and others' suggestions: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html You may have noticed that I've removed yet more. Keep pointing out issues and we'll be cleaner than Google :) I've cut

3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Henri Yandell
I'm a fan of the www.apache.org look and how it gives us a lot more usability in terms of available column space. I'd like to change Jakarta to the 3-columns (though not the lf or anything). Switching to 3-columns means less space in the center for content, however I also want to simplify the

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Henri Yandell
Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html Changes: 3 column Strikethrough of links/pages I'd like to kill. Less news. Removal of Related section (aim is to make this a new page). Rewrite of the welcome message to hopefully say the same main

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Martin Cooper
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:01:27 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html Changes: 3 column Strikethrough of links/pages I'd like to kill. Less news. Removal of Related section (aim is

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html We might consider changing some of the wording if you are going to refer to projects growing up and leaving. We could refer to Jakarta as a federation of projects, some of which are under the oversight of the Jakarta PMC, and some of

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html We might consider changing some of the wording if you are going to refer to projects growing up and leaving. We could refer to Jakarta as a federation of projects, some of which are under the

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Martin Cooper wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:01:27 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html This looks OK. The one thing I would change, though, is to get rid of the indentation

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:01:27 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html In case anyone wonders, I've dropped Martin Poeschl's 'In Memoriam' from the front page, but plan to have it at the top of the

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread James Mason
Henri, Looks good. Big improvement, I think :). I especially like how the third column brings more information above the status bar. A few comments: 1) The first paragraph sounds more like it's describing the ASF than describing Jakarta. A suggestion: - The Jakarta

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, James Mason wrote: Henri, Looks good. Big improvement, I think :). I especially like how the third column brings more information above the status bar. A few comments: Thanks :) 1) The first paragraph sounds more like it's describing the ASF than describing Jakarta. A

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Martin Cooper
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:41:00 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, James Mason wrote: Henri, Looks good. Big improvement, I think :). I especially like how the third column brings more information above the status bar. A few comments: Thanks :)

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread James Mason
Comments below. On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 21:41 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, James Mason wrote: Henri, Looks good. Big improvement, I think :). I especially like how the third column brings more information above the status bar. A few comments: Thanks :) 1) The