Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)

2002-12-19 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 17/12/02 7:14 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm currently (slowly) working on this:
 http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst
 others, be dependant on Gump data.

Simple hint... Don't call it Trove...

http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/

It's a pretty-famous widely-used set of utility classes used by Tea (a
template engine). And given that they went open-source with it because of us
(well, Brian and Duncan) we don't want to step on friends' toes, right???
:-) :-)

Pier


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Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)

2002-12-19 Thread Martin van den Bemt
I really like Bambi :)

Mvgr,
Martin

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 14:34, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
 On 17/12/02 7:14 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm currently (slowly) working on this:
  http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst
  others, be dependant on Gump data.
 
 Simple hint... Don't call it Trove...
 
 http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/
 
 It's a pretty-famous widely-used set of utility classes used by Tea (a
 template engine). And given that they went open-source with it because of us
 (well, Brian and Duncan) we don't want to step on friends' toes, right???
 :-) :-)
 
 Pier
 
 
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Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)

2002-12-19 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 19/12/02 13:49 Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Trove is also Sourceforge's categorization system.  I suspect that is
 where the name was taken from.  If you'd like to publicize Tea more, why
 not put it on the Elsewhere news on the front page?   (not being
 sarcastic, its an honest suggestion)

Jason's servlet book publicises it enough! :-) And given that it's not an
ASF project...

Pier


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[OT] Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)

2002-12-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Me too.  And my younger stepson has a cute little voice.  So he was 
playing with Clay and patted it into a semi-round circle and said here, 
it's Bambi-burger...yummm..  And I pretended to eat it...  

Gotta pick some more Bambi up...m   (oh wait ... I forgot... I'm 
vegetarian this week for health reasons...darn)

-Andy

Martin van den Bemt wrote:

I really like Bambi :)

Mvgr,
Martin

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 14:34, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
 

On 17/12/02 7:14 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   

I'm currently (slowly) working on this:
http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst
others, be dependant on Gump data.
 

Simple hint... Don't call it Trove...

http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/

It's a pretty-famous widely-used set of utility classes used by Tea (a
template engine). And given that they went open-source with it because of us
(well, Brian and Duncan) we don't want to step on friends' toes, right???
:-) :-)

   Pier


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GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)

2002-12-16 Thread Socha, Henri J,,DMDCWEST
Hello.
Though I must admit I did find what I was looking for, and in an almost(sic)
obvious place, I didn't at first. This email is about the look/links of the
website.
A small change in an otherwise well layed out site is requested.

I came into Jakarta through a Struts back door (a link into struts).
I looked around and saw that there was a large number of subprojects but
I could not (at first) find a short description of all the projects on a
single
page.  But wait you say, it's right there on the main page! (yes, kind of)

When I first went to the main page, early in my search, I saw sections:
Product News, Other News, and Elsewhere ... on my full page screen.
Having been on other sites I then (mistakenly) expected the whole page to
be a list of email/news links. I did not expect that scrolling down would
give me a list of Jakarta Subprojects. How was I to know this? 
My assumption was incorrect but looking around at other pages, 
I did not at first find a list of Subprojects. It seemed rather odd.

To give you an understanding of how I looked/found the Subprojects list:
I was hoping the SubProjects heading on the left column list might link
to it but it's just a heading. Various pages: Our mission, Our FAQs, Coding
Conventions, Who We Are, and New Subprojects did not contain the list.
But, under New Subprojects, in the Subproject Alternatives section was the
comment See the Jakarta home page. That got me back to the home page
which I had sluffed over early in my quest because it seemed to only contain
a list of messages. Scrolling down then obviously found the list I was
searching 
for and even a Welcome section, not at first visible on the Welcome
page!
That's the issue. It's a Human Interface GUI point.


So, now that I have truly bored you, but hopefully made you understand
the why and how of what occured in my case, a suggestion.

Make the list of Jakarta subprojects more prominent. It does not have to be
on a seperate page, on the main page is fine and probably best. My request 
is placing it and/or links to it in such a position that finding it is
easier.
Certainly considering my foibles may hint at possible improvements.


Sincerely,
Henri


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Re: Website failings [Was: GUI of the website, where's an overview?(not simply found)]

2002-12-16 Thread Henri Yandell

Furthermore:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/faqs.html


Say, why isn't there an ApacheForge?

For the time being, there are incubators enough. Though, if someone has
the itch for an incubator project to host products with licenses
compatible with Apache, the appropriate party to contact with a proposal
for such a thing would the Apache Software Foundation.

Many SourceForge projects do use the Apache License , and we hope this
segment will continue to grow. Indeed using Apache Software license before
you make a proposal for becoming an Jakarta project will help ease fears
that kudos was a motivator.


Do we need to change this now Apache Incubator has been voted for?
Also, as far as I know, only Apache may use the Apache License. Should
this link to some form of page on how to use the Apache License?

Hen

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Henri Yandell wrote:



 On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Socha, Henri J,,DMDCWEST wrote:

  Make the list of Jakarta subprojects more prominent. It does not have to be
  on a seperate page, on the main page is fine and probably best. My request
  is placing it and/or links to it in such a position that finding it is
  easier.

 I agree. The Welcome and the Sub-projects are the most important parts of
 the page, followed closely by the News. Other News and Elsewhere probably
 do not need to be the first thing someone reads.

 On a legal note, the front page needs to link back to the Apache website
 itself.

 Other minor notes:

 The Welcome in the top left should link to index.html#welcome and not just
 index.html.

 The navigation structure needs reviewing. There are 12 front page options,
 with sub-options.

 Any other views out there?


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