Re: IDE Developers' guide

2003-01-07 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: | | | | | The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have. | | Put in one about not being an idiot on the mailing lists too, then? | | | sure: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MailListUserBestPractices cute! ;) -- Mvh,

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2003-01-06 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: | on 2002/11/24 12:26 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html | | Thanks for your help! | | -Andy | | Great document Andy. | | The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2003-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
| | The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have. Put in one about not being an idiot on the mailing lists too, then? sure: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MailListUserBestPractices -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

RE: IDE Developers' guide

2002-12-03 Thread Dominique Devienne
-Allen Hamilton, Inc. Business After Hours -Original Message- From: Daniel Rall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:36 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: IDE Developers' guide snip/ BAH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-27 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Yes, Emacs is the original IDE -- I mean, its name stands for editor macros. This isn't a guide for those people. This is for the new breed of developers who think the command line is some obscure form of ancient scribe. -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-26 Thread Danny Angus
Guys, I don't know if this is relevant, I guess people can run external tools from their IDE's, but I just sent someone else this link 'cos it has a win32 port of patch. http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ and I thought of you. They also have a shed full of ports of other simple *nix commands.

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-26 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
www.cygwin.com has a port of just about everything. including a decent shell emulator for winblowz. Danny Angus wrote: Guys, I don't know if this is relevant, I guess people can run external tools from their IDE's, but I just sent someone else this link 'cos it has a win32 port of patch.

RE: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-26 Thread Danny Angus
Yeah I know, but not everyone wants to install cygwin, but everyone ought to want those *nix commands! -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 November 2002 14:56 To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: IDE Developers' guide www.cygwin.com

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-26 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Subject: Re: IDE Developers' guide www.cygwin.com has a port of just about everything. including a decent shell emulator for winblowz. Danny Angus wrote: Guys, I don't know if this is relevant, I guess people can run external tools from their IDE's, but I just sent someone else

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Brian Ewins
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: One of the things I find most frustrating is dealing with IDE Developers, meaning those developers who cut their teeth on Microsoft tools and never learned how to even set their PATH let alone their classpath. Classpath? I remember those However, the standard

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Actually using Ant (or Maven) from an IDE is easy enough. The tricky bit is getting the IDE to see the same classpath that the build script uses, for code completion and the like. I noticed the Maven to Eclipse integration for example tries to work by allowing you to generate a file

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Lavandowska
--- Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2002/11/24 12:26 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html Thanks for your help! -Andy Great document Andy. The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have.

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Henri Gomez
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: One of the things I find most frustrating is dealing with IDE Developers, meaning those developers who cut their teeth on Microsoft tools and never learned how to even set their PATH let alone their classpath. Rather than flame them and suggest hey why don't you learn

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Brian Ewins
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Actually using Ant (or Maven) from an IDE is easy enough. The tricky bit is getting the IDE to see the same classpath that the build script uses, for code completion and the like. I noticed the Maven to Eclipse integration for example tries to work by allowing you to

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I'm not familiar enough with Maven's recent developments to write on this. Perhaps you could contribute? I'm also not sure how many projects there are that are currently using Maven, however, since this seems to be expanding I suspect it would be worthwhile. Ok, I'll try to get

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Great. I'll note this and include the link. A quick note : I'm using Eclipse and Tomcat, using the tomcat plugin (http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatPlugin.html) which make it easy to launch Tomcat 3.3.1, 4.0 or 4.1 from Eclipse. So there is no need for remote debugging via Eclipse, even

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
... Pointers to documentation on build tool integration (Make/Ant/Maven) would definitely be useful for this document, +1 Baz. any specific suggestions on existing documentation which should be linked and introduced? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

[PATCH] Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Brian Ewins
Small changes to the 'getinvolved' and 'source' pages to make it easier to find info on contributing patches. Out of curiosity I did this completely within netbeans - it was a surprisingly simple and pleasant point-and-click experience. As for the Ant/Maven stuff, You might want to link to

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread dion
Brian Ewins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 25/11/2002 11:03:32 PM: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: One of the things I find most frustrating is dealing with IDE Developers, meaning those developers who cut their teeth on Microsoft tools and never learned how to even set their PATH let alone

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread dion
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 26/11/2002 02:12:07 AM: I'm not familiar enough with Maven's recent developments to write on this. Perhaps you could contribute? I'm also not sure how many projects there are that are currently using Maven, however, since this seems

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
And why the heck should they? Any decent software worth it's salt doesn't make the user touch their classpath :) Yeah and IDE project files are AWESOME for automated builds, automated unit testing, gump etc! Its ALSO AWESOME when they stick multiple editions in their IDE libarary manager

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Sam Ruby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the things I find most frustrating is dealing with IDE Developers, meaning those developers who cut their teeth on Microsoft tools and never learned how to even set their PATH let alone their classpath. And why the heck should they? Any decent software worth

RE: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Jim Moore
to look). -Jim Moore -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:37 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: IDE Developers' guide And why the heck should they? Any decent software worth it's salt doesn't make the user touch

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
. But, of course, when the abstraction leaks, I know how to plug it (or at least where to look). -Jim Moore -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:37 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: IDE Developers' guide And why

IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
One of the things I find most frustrating is dealing with IDE Developers, meaning those developers who cut their teeth on Microsoft tools and never learned how to even set their PATH let alone their classpath. Rather than flame them and suggest hey why don't you learn your own tools and then

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Debugging is missing. It's source of confusion for many IDE Developers. Many don't know how to debug their favorite EJB server / servlet engine unless there is button in the IDE. Ahh. Can you tap something out and put in a patch and I'll edit? I'll write instructions for eclipse. PS

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Clemens Marschner
Just a short thing I stepped over when I read the doc writing this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html so that The link to subversion doesn't work (http:// missing). But the doc is great. Clemens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
ACK. fixed, built, committed, updated, thanks! Clemens Marschner wrote: Just a short thing I stepped over when I read the doc writing this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html so that The link to subversion doesn't work (http:// missing). But the doc is great. Clemens

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Added sections on debugging... let me know what you think. Debugging is missing. It's source of confusion for many IDE Developers. Many don't know how to debug their favorite EJB server / servlet engine unless there is button in the IDE. PS JetBrains IDEA is worth mentioning as good IDE.

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2002/11/24 12:26 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html Thanks for your help! -Andy Great document Andy. The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html Thanks for your help! -Andy Great document Andy. Thanks! :-) The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have. :-D -Andy -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Yeah My appologies to Tim. I thought they were part of the tagline when I read that! (the made it part of the tagline) -Andy While Tim's e-mail was not formatted in a manner that is suitable for direct input into the Unix patch program, it did contain human readable diffs. Earlier

Re: IDE Developers' guide

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
So I guess instead thats me demonstrating how not to act ;-)Go me! ;-) Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: A great lesson on what not to do by Tim Vernum: It really needs a spell check Thanks Tim for demonstrating un-communalistic behavior for everyone! This is a great