Re: Invitation

[Andrew C. Oliver]

I get spam from myself all the time.  Guess its karma for proposing 
this: (http://sourceforge.net/projects/superxmailer/) as an Apache 
project one April 1st.


-Andy

Karthik Kumar wrote:

Hi...

I'm extremely sorry for this... Someone was spamming :(

Karthik

On 3/19/06, Jörg Schaible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


robert burrell donkin wrote:



On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 23:32 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:


I'm assuming at the moment that this is a case of somebody spoofing
Karthik's address. I doubt the spam is from Karthik - just something


that


snuck through the spamassassin and various other email controls and
happens to be a subscribed address.


looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about ways to
allow committers to post from their apache addresses...


My "standrad address" has definitely been used as spoofed address for
sending spam and I also remember receiving other spam that claimed to be
from some Apache commiters here.

- Jörg


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Re: Invitation

[Henri Yandell]

No problem Karthik, happens to us all. :)

Hen

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Karthik Kumar wrote:


Hi...


I'm extremely sorry for this... Someone was spamming :(

Karthik

On 3/19/06, J??rg Schaible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


robert burrell donkin wrote:

> On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 23:32 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
>> I'm assuming at the moment that this is a case of somebody spoofing
>> Karthik's address. I doubt the spam is from Karthik - just something
that
>> snuck through the spamassassin and various other email controls and
>> happens to be a subscribed address.
>
> looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
> checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about ways to
> allow committers to post from their apache addresses...

My "standrad address" has definitely been used as spoofed address for
sending spam and I also remember receiving other spam that claimed to be
from some Apache commiters here.

- J??rg


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Re: Invitation

[Ortwin Glück]

Noel J. Bergman wrote:

Two separate issues, unless the e-mail was sent with his @apache.org
address.  If *his* domain uses SPF, I believe that we would already honor
it.  Our mail handling is transitioning, and we can pursue that option.

--- Noel


SPF of big email providers like Google are mostly useless as they 
basically permit any host to send mail for their domain:


gmail.com   text = "v=spf1 ip4:216.239.56.0/23 ip4:64.233.160.0/19 
ip4:66.249.80.0/20 ip4:72.14.192.0/18 ?all"


See, here it says "?all" and not "-all".

But if you have tight control over your own email servers you can do 
stuff right.


Ortwin

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RE: Invitation

[Noel J. Bergman]

robert burrell donkin wrote:

> looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
> checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about
> ways to allow committers to post from their apache addresses.

Two separate issues, unless the e-mail was sent with his @apache.org
address.  If *his* domain uses SPF, I believe that we would already honor
it.  Our mail handling is transitioning, and we can pursue that option.

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Re: Invitation

[Karthik Kumar]

Hi...

I'm extremely sorry for this... Someone was spamming :(

Karthik

On 3/19/06, Jörg Schaible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 23:32 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
> >> I'm assuming at the moment that this is a case of somebody spoofing
> >> Karthik's address. I doubt the spam is from Karthik - just something
> that
> >> snuck through the spamassassin and various other email controls and
> >> happens to be a subscribed address.
> >
> > looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
> > checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about ways to
> > allow committers to post from their apache addresses...
>
> My "standrad address" has definitely been used as spoofed address for
> sending spam and I also remember receiving other spam that claimed to be
> from some Apache commiters here.
>
> - Jörg
>
>
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Re: Invitation

[Jörg Schaible]

robert burrell donkin wrote:

> On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 23:32 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
>> I'm assuming at the moment that this is a case of somebody spoofing
>> Karthik's address. I doubt the spam is from Karthik - just something that
>> snuck through the spamassassin and various other email controls and
>> happens to be a subscribed address.
> 
> looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
> checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about ways to
> allow committers to post from their apache addresses...

My "standrad address" has definitely been used as spoofed address for
sending spam and I also remember receiving other spam that claimed to be
from some Apache commiters here.

- Jörg


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Re: Invitation

[robert burrell donkin]

On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 23:32 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
> I'm assuming at the moment that this is a case of somebody spoofing 
> Karthik's address. I doubt the spam is from Karthik - just something that 
> snuck through the spamassassin and various other email controls and 
> happens to be a subscribed address.

looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about ways to
allow committers to post from their apache addresses...

- robert


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Re: Invitation

[Henri Yandell]

I'm assuming at the moment that this is a case of somebody spoofing 
Karthik's address. I doubt the spam is from Karthik - just something that 
snuck through the spamassassin and various other email controls and 
happens to be a subscribed address.


Hen

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Frank W. Zammetti wrote:


Oh come on Luke, don't you know a good deal when you see one?!? ;) LOL

It's obviously just your friendly neighborhood spambot.  Lovely.

Frank

Luke Beard wrote:

WTF ??

-Original Message-
From: Karthik Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 18 
March 2006 11:41 PM

To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Invitation

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Re: Invitation

[Frank W. Zammetti]

Oh come on Luke, don't you know a good deal when you see one?!? ;) LOL

It's obviously just your friendly neighborhood spambot.  Lovely.

Frank

Luke Beard wrote:

WTF ??

-Original Message-
From: Karthik Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2006 11:41 PM

To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Invitation

Hi! I just signed up for a great promotion that I think you should
check out. We can both get a free new IPOD nano!

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RE: Invitation

[Luke Beard]

WTF ??

-Original Message-
From: Karthik Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2006 11:41 PM
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Invitation

Hi! I just signed up for a great promotion that I think you should
check out. We can both get a free new IPOD nano!

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Invitation

[Karthik Kumar]

Hi! I just signed up for a great promotion that I think you should
check out. We can both get a free new IPOD nano!

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Invitation to join the Web Services Discussion Forum

[John Eliacy]

Dear Madam/Sir,
 We, a group of enthusiastic web services developers and researchers, have 
started a new discussion forum at http://www.ws-talk.com to bring together 
academics and industry people interested in the subject of Web Services and 
related technologies, such as agents, distributed architectures, jini, corba 
etc. We hope to create a place in which anyone related to these Internet 
enabling technologies can ask questions, publish articles and read about 
what others are doing. 

You are cordially invited to join and bring your valuable contribution to 
this forum. Joining takes no longer than one minute and is free. To join, 
please go to http://www.ws-talk.com and click on register. You are welcome 
to post any information you consider relevant and ask any questions you 
might want answered by our or associate experts.

We appreciate your help in distributing this invitation to your colleagues. 

Kind regards,
The www.ws-talk.com <http://www.ws-talk.com/> moderators
This is the only email related to this issue you will receive from us. We do 
apologise if you will receive duplicate copies of this email.

Re: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts

[mohammad nabil]

hi,

i would like to participate. what shall i do? will you assign tasks to 
developeres or what is the Plan?

-Mohammad Nabil
Just Programming
As you may have heard by now, the Apache Software Foundation has initiated 
a
project to develop an open source, Apache-licensed implementation of the
J2EE specification. In addition, the project is committed to certifying the
implementation as J2EE compliant. This is an ambitious goal and will 
present
a formidable challenge for the people involved, given the wide range of
technologies covered by the specification.

The project (tentatively named "Apache Geronimo") builds upon the many Java
projects at the Apache Software Foundation. In addition, the project is
bringing together leading members of the Castor, JBoss, MX4J and OpenEJB
communities. We would like to extend an open invitation to everyone 
involved
in the J2EE space, both commercial entities and talented individuals, to
join the community and build a world-class J2EE implementation.

The Apache Software Foundation is in a unique position to build a J2EE
compliant platform. Our non-profit, charity status, and our relationship
with Sun Microsystems, provides the Foundation with access to the J2EE 
TCKs,
making it possible to achieve certification. In addition, our flexible and
unrestrictive licensing makes it possible for a wide variety of 
participants
to assist in the development of Apache Geronimo, and to build their own
solutions upon the platform.

Apache Geronimo has been launched within the Apache Incubator. You can find
more information about the Incubator at http://incubator.apache.org/. To
find out more about this project or if you would like to become involved,
please send email to the incubator mailing list: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On behalf of the Apache Geronimo Team,

Greg Stein,
Chairman of the Apache Software Foundation
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[mohammad nabil]

hi,

i would like to participate. what shall i do? will you assign tasks to 
developeres or what is the Plan?

Quoting from Greg's announcement (have you read it? I bet not, people who 
don't snip and answers on top of the messages usually does not read them):

To
find out more about this project or if you would like to become involved,
please send email to the incubator mailing list: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you for the Tip :)

-Mohammad Nabil
Just Programming
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Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts

[Greg Stein]

As you may have heard by now, the Apache Software Foundation has initiated a
project to develop an open source, Apache-licensed implementation of the
J2EE specification. In addition, the project is committed to certifying the
implementation as J2EE compliant. This is an ambitious goal and will present
a formidable challenge for the people involved, given the wide range of
technologies covered by the specification.

The project (tentatively named "Apache Geronimo") builds upon the many Java
projects at the Apache Software Foundation. In addition, the project is
bringing together leading members of the Castor, JBoss, MX4J and OpenEJB
communities. We would like to extend an open invitation to everyone involved
in the J2EE space, both commercial entities and talented individuals, to
join the community and build a world-class J2EE implementation.

The Apache Software Foundation is in a unique position to build a J2EE
compliant platform. Our non-profit, charity status, and our relationship
with Sun Microsystems, provides the Foundation with access to the J2EE TCKs,
making it possible to achieve certification. In addition, our flexible and
unrestrictive licensing makes it possible for a wide variety of participants
to assist in the development of Apache Geronimo, and to build their own
solutions upon the platform.

Apache Geronimo has been launched within the Apache Incubator. You can find
more information about the Incubator at http://incubator.apache.org/. To
find out more about this project or if you would like to become involved,
please send email to the incubator mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


On behalf of the Apache Geronimo Team,

Greg Stein,
Chairman of the Apache Software Foundation

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Re: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts

[Tetsuya Kitahata]

By the way, why didn't you post this news to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

There are many people who subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and not to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I think it would be nessesary
in order to make this news effectual to J2EE-minded folks
to announce this news at [EMAIL PROTECTED], too.

-- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:58:25 -0700
(Subject: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts)
Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As you may have heard by now, the Apache Software Foundation has initiated a
> project to develop an open source, Apache-licensed implementation of the
> J2EE specification. In addition, the project is committed to certifying the
> implementation as J2EE compliant. This is an ambitious goal and will present
> a formidable challenge for the people involved, given the wide range of
> technologies covered by the specification.




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Re: Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts

[Santiago Gala Pérez]

El miércoles, 6 agos, 2003, a las 00:57 Europe/Madrid, mohammad nabil 
escribió:

hi,

i would like to participate. what shall i do? will you assign tasks to 
developeres or what is the Plan?

Quoting from Greg's announcement (have you read it? I bet not, people 
who don't snip and answers on top of the messages usually does not read 
them):

To
find out more about this project or if you would like to become 
involved,
please send email to the incubator mailing list: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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RE: [INVITATION] community@apache.org

[Scott Sanders]

I had the intention of letting general@ know ASAP, and also sent this
long before it was sent to committers@, and was under the impression
that it needed to be spread via more than just committers@

Sorry,
Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:andy@;superlinksoftware.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:40 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: [INVITATION] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
> 
> >>This mail list will be closed to committers only, the 
> citizens of the 
> >>Apache Software Foundation, and will serve as the place to 
> talk about 
> >>the future of the foundation.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Why is this getting forwarded to general@ when it has already been 
> >forwarded to committers@? I'm getting a bazillion copies of 
> this email 
> >and not everyone is actually invited, so why tease?
> >
> >-jon
> >
> >  
> >
> Speaking only for myself I sent the email at 4pm est, the message to 
> committers went out significantly later, but arrived before 
> my email.  Had I realized it would go out to committers 
> (which I thought 
> was mainly for system outages) I wouldn't have done so.
> 
> .  you asked.
> 
> -Andy
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Re: [INVITATION] community@apache.org

[Andrew C. Oliver]

Jon Scott Stevens wrote:


This mail list will be closed to committers only, the citizens of the
Apache Software Foundation, and will serve as the place to talk about
the future of the foundation.
   


Why is this getting forwarded to general@ when it has already been forwarded
to committers@? I'm getting a bazillion copies of this email and not
everyone is actually invited, so why tease?

-jon

 

Speaking only for myself I sent the email at 4pm est, the message to 
committers went out significantly later, but arrived before my
email.  Had I realized it would go out to committers (which I thought 
was mainly for system outages) I wouldn't have done so.

.  you asked.

-Andy


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[Jon Scott Stevens]

> This mail list will be closed to committers only, the citizens of the
> Apache Software Foundation, and will serve as the place to talk about
> the future of the foundation.

Why is this getting forwarded to general@ when it has already been forwarded
to committers@? I'm getting a bazillion copies of this email and not
everyone is actually invited, so why tease?

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[INVITATION] community@apache.org

[Scott Sanders]

(content was authored by Stefano M)

Ladies and Gentlemen,

the ASF is happy to present the creation of

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the first ASF-wide mail list created to talk, discuss, propose, meet, 
collaborate with all the ASF committers, no matter what project or 
community they are involved with.

This mail list will be closed to committers only, the citizens of the 
Apache Software Foundation, and will serve as the place to talk about 
the future of the foundation.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] will replace [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the need for 
'reorganization' of the ASF turned out to be a much more deeper issue 
about lack of communication between the various ASF communities.

You might wonder why we can't use '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' for those 
discussions: well, Apache gives power to those who volunteer, it doesn't

impose things.

So, we give you a choice to partecipate in that effort to shape the 
future of Apache, or to ignore the issue alltogether (but then, accept 
the choices that were done!)

If you think there is something wrong that jakarta.apache.org and 
xml.apache.org host 70% of the code the ASF owns but have only 20% of 
the ASF members, subscribe there and help us fix this.

If you wished there was more synergy between the various ASF 
communities, show us how you'd make it happening.

On [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where discussions about new projects 
creations (like Apache Commons, Apache Incubator, Apache Graveyard) will

take place.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] will be where the 'architecture', the 'development'

of the foundation itself is done.

So, if you think you have good idea on how to run the show better, on 
how to make ASF even better than what it is today, subscribe to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] by sending email to

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Oh, one favor: please subscribe with your @apache.org address (or 
@php.net address for PHP committers) so that list moderators don't have 
to scan thru the committers list to find out if you are a committer or
not.

You can even use the ezmlm trick

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

if you are sending this from another account.

Ah, one last thing: Apache doesn't impose things, but it *does* make 
decisions based on a meritocratic consensus. It's up to you to 
partecipate but please be aware of the fact that decision taken on 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' will serve as proposals later ratified by the ASF

board and *those* will be enforced.

So, we give you the opportunity to partecipate in the making of the 
future of the foundation, but no complain will be accepted if what comes

up doesn't fit your needs or doesn't make you happy and you didn't 
partecipate in its process.

You have been invited and warned.

Now it's up to you.


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[Leonidas] an invitation (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!)))

[Marc Portier]

Hi,

Carefully trying to step in at a moment where there again was an attempt to
being usefull :-)
(Ken's [PROPOSAL] seemed to me too honest and willing to hijack it into more
flamewars)

[doing the awfull crosspost reflecting the nature of this message-body]


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> +1
>
> I would go even further and propose a top level project that will
> host all project-management tools, including Gump.
>

with 'top level' you mean next to jakarta.apache and xml.apache projects?
grouping all dev-facilitating-community-infrastructure-project-management
related stuff into a common place for the others to start from sounds like a
good idea? (IMO)

Maybe this could give us all some neutral grounds AND an obvious central
forum (lighthouse function) to work on and discuss the features in such
system(s).  Some of the original forest-dev kick off mailings had wishlists
talking about this kind of stuff, only forrest doesn't try to be more then
create a browser consumable cockpit view on all aspects of such an
infrastructure.

Finally: next to having possible competing alternatives (which indeed will
solve itself in some survival-of-the-fittest mechanism anyway) one of the
bigger drawbacks I'm seeing in the current situation of historicaly randomly
self-project-oriented itch-scratching in the dev-infrastructure part:
It leads to bad functional partitioning! The best thing I like about
general/natural OSS design is that they tend to focus on 1. doing a small
and essential part of the job very well and 2. putting up clear interfaces
to hook into the others (pretty much like good OO  design should focus on a
sound split up of responsibility and collaboration, the typical example is
the unix pipe-commandline which rules over the one size fits all executable
that takes a million options, swithces and command line arguments (well, in
unix they combine both of course :-() )

In the current situation, which I would call: "scratching 'the
my-infrastructure and my-project management'-itch" tends to glob anything
the particular project group sees as out-of-scope-but-essential-for-progress
into one subproject... (This is also why this discussion goes on and on if
you ask me: we have difficulty to compare maven and centipede because they
take up more then one aspect in the show and have both areas in which they
do and don't overlap... and if you ask me some of the features both maven
and centipede are raving about should be refactored out as different
co-operating and plugable subprojects of a bigger new dev-infrastructure
strategy)
And from this angle I dislike the expressed idea of waiting for more
estalished versions of the currently competing (and ever funcitonally
growing in an attempt to 'win') subsusbsub- and/or foreign- projects.

In one line: The setup of a root level group could facilitate the
discussions on sound functional partitioning.

(it makes more sense to me then trying to combine jakarta and xml
mailinglists, also on this social level some sound functional partitioning
is a good idea, people that want to subscribe to all 'generals' can easily
do so, perhaps facilitating that into one automated subscription-mail to all
groups makes sense but if you're really interested in the topics you
shouldn't be that lasy)


I think Steven made a nice overview of what is already here and there in
that arena:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-apache-general&m=102028272723903&w=2
(maven, centipede, gump, forest, alexandria,...)
probably 'ant' could be considered to move in as well. (having it's
comparable grown out of tomcat history sure makes it a good candidate.)


> While gump doesn't have a very big community of developers ( I wish
> I had more time), it is an essential tool for jakarta, and
> I think 'it is the real thing'.

it should be an essential tool for xml.apache as well, as would go for all
other projects in this new arena.

and it would kinda offer a mechanism for offering to the world the
best-practice-filled infrastructure tools these communities were able to
create cause of their high volume and agility.

it will never free us comppletely from itch scratching subprojects,  but who
would care then?

this being the start of at least a no-flame subthread :-)
maybe leaving us with some topic oriented questions can invite anyone into
constructive participation:

. Which are the different aspects of an elaborated development-community?
[possibly grouped around the main activities: communication, documentation,
participation, status reporting]

. Into which features would you translate these aspects?
[both server side as well as view-side as maybe IDE integration dreams]
. Which of these do we have available in which subprojects?
. What is the good or bad experience with it, maybe from commercial products
as well?
. Can we refactor those out and define interfaces between them?
[probably loads of XML]

. Can we find a name for this that does not try to combine 'centipede' nor