re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-16 Thread Rich Persaud
| Software history is replete with creation of new economic tiers. Even | open-source has it's GPL, BSD and countless other camplets. If an | existing organization can't serve multiple audiences, is there room and | reason for a supplemental one? | | | You mean is there room for the

re[2]: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-13 Thread Rich Persaud
Andy wrote: | Apache has tools that provide quantitative feedback on the development | process. Can any of these be adapted to provide quantitative feedback | on the post-public spec development process, using historical (public) data? | | | And what is the milestone? Creation of

Re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-13 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
| And what is the milestone? Creation of lots of needless JSRs? I | suspect the JCP does exactly what Sun intends it to do. That doesn't preclude Apache (or Andy) from systematically benchmarking JCP by Apache values.It certainly happens informally, but we know the benefits (and

Re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-12 Thread Santiago Gala
Rich Persaud wrote: Pier wrote: | Most of the times, in my experience, it all comes down to how receptive | the spec lead is in regards to new ideas coming from outside, and how much | weight he has in his company (the JSR sponsoring company)... | | But my experience is too little to say

Re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-12 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Rich Persaud wrote: Ok, there's no separate NDA, it's part of the standard agreements: http://jcp.org/en/participation/membership Follow-up questions: 1. Is there an Apache-specific, public archive of JCP discussion, including the negotiation of JCP 2.5? This seems to exclude [EMAIL

Re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-12 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Rich Persaud wrote: Ok, there's no separate NDA, it's part of the standard agreements: http://jcp.org/en/participation/membership Follow-up questions: 1. Is there an Apache-specific, public archive of JCP discussion, including the negotiation of JCP 2.5? This seems

JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-11 Thread Rich Persaud
Andy wrote: | Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project | and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a | few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain | decisions which will affect the project. [** disclaimer: I

re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-11 Thread Rich Persaud
I wrote: | Is the NDA under NDA? Or can someone post a copy? Ok, there's no separate NDA, it's part of the standard agreements: http://jcp.org/en/participation/membership Follow-up questions: 1. Is there an Apache-specific, public archive of JCP discussion, including the negotiation

Re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 01:32 AM, Rich Persaud wrote: I wrote: | Is the NDA under NDA? Or can someone post a copy? Ok, there's no separate NDA, it's part of the standard agreements: http://jcp.org/en/participation/membership Follow-up questions: 1. Is there an Apache-specific,