Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-08 Thread Cedric Berger
Ceki Gülcü wrote: Cedric, If you think that j.u.l has all the features you need then you should use it. Have you actually looked at the contents of j.u.l? No more than 5 minutes. Again, I'm not trying to say that any logging package is better than any another one, because I don't have this

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-08 Thread Conor MacNeill
FACT: Jog4J supports JDK 1.1.x and higher, while JogKit only supports JDK 1.2+, and JDK 1.4 logging is only _officialy_ available in JDK 1.4. Not terribly interested in Loggers, but I think I might need a JogKit. Actually I've got a bit of a mainframe, will Jog4J RUN :-) I think you may have

Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Tal Dayan
Recently I saw an Avalon announcement regarding a logger kit. Is this is related in any way to the Log4J project ? If not, what are the key differences between the two ? And while we are on the subject, what are the differences between these two and the Sun logging API ? We plan to add a

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Jon Stevens
on 8/7/01 5:47 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It takes a couple iterations of an API to get it right, and Sun foolishly decided to include the API without the real world testing and feedback. I'm sure it isn't the first time. :-) -jon

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Jon Stevens
on 8/7/01 5:47 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully the information presented here will help you. I would stay away from JDK1.4 logging, and use either LogKit or Log4J which are of equal quality--but slightly different focuses and underlying concepts. +1 Log4J also has a

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Cedric Berger
Ceki Gülcü wrote: Cedric, Please see http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html and http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique2.html before jumping to conclusions. Regards, Ceki Great, thanks for posting that new (critique2) information! (I already read the old one) And

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Cedric Berger
Tal Dayan wrote: We plan to add a logger to one of our products and we are not sure which one to use. If you want to try the JDK 1.4 logging for older JDK: http://www.javelinsoft.com/jlogger/ Cedric - To unsubscribe,

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Berin Loritsch
Cedric Berger wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: Cedric, Please see http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html and http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique2.html before jumping to conclusions. Regards, Ceki Great, thanks for posting that new (critique2)

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Berin Loritsch
Cedric Berger wrote: Tal Dayan wrote: We plan to add a logger to one of our products and we are not sure which one to use. If you want to try the JDK 1.4 logging for older JDK: http://www.javelinsoft.com/jlogger/ Too bad I can't use it with JDK 1.3 (check Ceki's new critique

RE: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Cedric Berger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place Ceki Gülcü wrote: Cedric, Please see http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html and http

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Cedric Berger
Berin Loritsch wrote: Cedric Berger wrote: Tal Dayan wrote: We plan to add a logger to one of our products and we are not sure which one to use. If you want to try the JDK 1.4 logging for older JDK: http://www.javelinsoft.com/jlogger/ Too bad I can't use it with JDK 1.3

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Kurt Schrader
On Tuesday, August 7, 2001, at 04:21 PM, Cedric Berger wrote: Too bad this fails to recognize that you don't need to put that into the java.util.* namespace. For example the javelinsoft classes are under com.javelinsoft. Yes, but this leads to you having to change all of your import

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Cedric Berger
I never said to stay away from the JDK 1.4 logging system. Well, then look at the following part of your previous message, and explain more clearly what you meant by +1. on 8/7/01 5:47 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully the information presented here will help you. I would

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Avi Cherry
Yes, but this leads to you having to change all of your import statements if you switch from JDK 1.4 to 1.3 or earlier. Yes, you're right. This is not a perfect solution. But since the java.awt.swing - com.sun.awt.swing - javax.swing horror story, some tools are pretty good at automating

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Cedric Berger
Avi Cherry wrote: Yes, but this leads to you having to change all of your import statements if you switch from JDK 1.4 to 1.3 or earlier. Yes, you're right. This is not a perfect solution. But since the java.awt.swing - com.sun.awt.swing - javax.swing horror story, some tools are

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Avi Cherry
What prevent the JavalinSoft class from working with the JDK 1.4? And what prevent you from conditionally bridging the two package, *if you relly need to*? What's the benefit in settling on the 'standard' logging package if you end up having to include a copy of it (the JavalinSoft version)

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Cedric Berger
Avi Cherry wrote: What prevent the JavalinSoft class from working with the JDK 1.4? And what prevent you from conditionally bridging the two package, *if you relly need to*? What's the benefit in settling on the 'standard' logging package if you end up having to include a copy of it (the

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Cedric, If you think that j.u.l has all the features you need then you should use it. Have you actually looked at the contents of j.u.l? I lacks many useful features that people expect to find in a logging package. Yes, even you will want them. Log4j might be obsolete five years from now