RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons - web connector

2001-03-13 Thread cmanolache
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, GOMEZ Henri wrote: Still no response for this sub-project proposal. A big +1 This will also reduce the pressure on making changes in the "stable" code. If a bug is found in the connector - we can just make a new release of the connector ( both sides ), without a need to

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-13 Thread Jon Stevens
on 3/9/01 1:15 PM, "David Duddleston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just another rant Even after a few years, it still bugs me that license and copyright mark on each piece of Apache code is so darn long. Even a dog knows it only takes a few drops to marks its territory. -david Tell that

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:40 10/3/01 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I have to side a little with Peter Donald on this, if you are serious about achieving this goal, then it is better to work with an existing project that is attempting to achieve some of the same goals. I would agree 100%, because of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
David Duddleston wrote: BTW, is there a listing of the all the proposed code bases to be part of the Commons? I would love to see good collections classes. I have some of my own implementation of OrderMap, type specific Lists and Map, but I'm sure the are better (optimized) implementation

RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-11 Thread David Duddleston
That could be - my problem when I went looking for things is that I surmised that Avalon was some sort of framework, rather than a collection of independent utilities. I got that idea because that is what the avalon site says... Peter and others are aware that this is often the

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
David Duddleston wrote: Over the several years I have been lurking these forums, the topic of a shared library of common classes has been discussed several times and a few different attempts have been made to realize this goal, but all have either failed or fallen sort. Avalon is probably

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-09 Thread Alex Fernández
Hi Steve! Steve Downey wrote: Please, let us not start the great brace and indentation holy war here. Nope sir, not my intention at all. Also, if you want to reformat code, take a look at astyle, (sorry don't have a URL handy) a syntax directed indent engine that converts between the

RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons - web connector

2001-03-09 Thread cmanolache
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Nael Mohammad wrote: I for one would like to see mod_webapp Same for me - the automatic configuration is great for most users. Having this "common" project would be great because it'll allow the development of a connector that combines the best features of mod_jk and

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: Since I'm the lone wolf on this point: snip (3.1) mailing list(s) jakarta-commons-general jakarta-commons-DBCP (database connection pool) jakarta-commons-sandbox (unreleased packages) /snip insert (3.1) mailing list(s) jakarta-commons /insert I think that I do

RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega
Hola a todos, Ted: Since I'm the lone wolf on this point: snip (3.1) mailing list(s) jakarta-commons-general jakarta-commons-DBCP (database connection pool) jakarta-commons-sandbox (unreleased packages) /snip insert (3.1) mailing list(s) jakarta-commons /insert +1 and how

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Conor MacNeill
From: "Ted Husted" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons +1 to all your changes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Conor MacNeill
From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] I support the notion of standardization, but some of the Sun conventions are just awful, particularly the bit about ending the method declaration with a '{' +1, but I fear it is too widely used in the Java world now :-( Getting rid of the tabs

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Sam Ruby
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Futher, I like starting blocks with a { a la if( foo ) { block } Blech. I guess it takes all kinds. ;-) - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Steve Downey
Jon Wrote: Additional: the issues surrounding logging and pluggable logging implementations are not covered here. I think they have the same importance as configuration. My vote is that we standardize on simply using Log4J and its interfaces for *everything*. +1 Two logging mechanisms is

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Fernando Padilla
1) There are religious battles over the hanging brace.. let's not start one here please. We can either follow the standard or not, period... But the code should all look the same... - on a side note, many people in my company have gone full circle first fighting for the hanging

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Jon Stevens
on 3/8/01 8:57 AM, "Ceki Glc" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To summarize, I think that as an organization we should consider APIs on the basis of their merit and their respective advantages/disadvantages. Saying that we should adopt API XYZ just because it is Sun sponsored is not the wisest way

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Gunnar R|nning wrote: "Geir Magnusson Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The thing that started this, about the coding guidelines, was in response to the addition of the Sun coding guidelines (rules...) - I was just indicating my preference. Of course, but it is important to be able

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Sam Ruby
Jon Stevens wrote: 7: Should provide an interface or implement a Sun defined interface. s/Sun defined/standard/ - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conor MacNeill wrote: I think it would be better to start with one mailing list so ensure there is enough "mass" in discussions. I feel strongly that there should be a combined user/dev list for each package, and I personally stand by the statement in

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Conor MacNeill
Message - From: "Ted Husted" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons Conor MacNeill wrote: Ted, Sounds good to me. I think it would be better to start with one mailing list so ensure there is en

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:21 7/3/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: Peter Donald wrote: I will say it again - though no one really seems to listen. No one's asking you to do anything you don't want to do, Peter. If you are not comfortable working on a Commons package, then you should not work on a Commons package. I

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread cmanolache
Say I'd propose to move the org.apache.tools.tar and org.apache.tools.mail packages from Ant to the commons repository - which I'll probably do - these are very small thingies that don't really need separate mailing lists at all. +1 !! And maybe parts of ProjectHelper ( turned into a

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Jon Stevens
on 3/7/01 5:08 AM, "Sam Ruby" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Stevens wrote: 7: Should provide an interface or implement a Sun defined interface. s/Sun defined/standard/ - Sam Ruby define standard. http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd-implementation.html -jon -- If you come

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Jon Stevens
on 3/7/01 5:21 AM, "Ted Husted" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about: 7. In general, packages should provide an interface and one or more implementations of that interface, or implement another standard interface (e.g. one defined by Sun). -1 I don't like the implication that something

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Jon Stevens
on 3/7/01 4:57 AM, "Ted Husted" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel strongly that there should be a combined user/dev list for each package, and I personally stand by the statement in the FAQ. This will fail for new projects. Reason: community building. To create a community, you need a single

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Tim O'Brien
Peter, On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Peter Donald wrote: I already work on commons packages - after all I work on Avalon ;) Avalon is not a commons package, it is a "common framework for server applications". Why does the framework need to contain code to accomplish specific tasks? What Ted

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 02:53 7/3/01 -0600, Tim O'Brien wrote: Avalon is not a commons package, it is a "common framework for server applications". Why does the framework need to contain code to accomplish specific tasks? The perception that it is solely a framework is wrong. Frameworks by themselves are useless

RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-06 Thread Conor MacNeill
Ted, Sounds good to me. I think it would be better to start with one mailing list so ensure there is enough "mass" in discussions. Also, I am a bit dubious about the name "commons" (Don't know if there has been much discussion about that). The concept of a Commons is often used as an example of

RE: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-06 Thread GOMEZ Henri
Nice initiative. Sharing code is allways great and there are in jakarta projects some fine pieces of code which could be used outside their 'original' project. A suggestion will be to ask all of you to do your best to organize this subproject in many smaller sub-subprojects just to avoid

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-06 Thread Ted Husted
The archive for the interim "library-dev" mailing list is at mail-archive.com There is also a page linking the working documents at http://husted.com/about/jakarta/library.html . My own preference is that it be called something simple and generic. (I was good with library.) Conor MacNeill

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-06 Thread Jon Stevens
on 3/6/01 2:03 PM, "Ted Husted" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal for "The Commons" - A Jakarta Subproject version 1.0 - 5 Mar 2001 (0) rationale Apache-Java and Jakarta originally hosted product-based subprojects, consisting of one major deliverable. The Java language however is