Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-12 Thread Kevin A. Burton - burtonator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list is named [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I suggest the creation of such mailing list and the creation of a Jon page explaining the whole Jon issue... linked from Jakarta's

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-12 Thread Stephane Bailliez
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] Now, I'm going to go back and start writing some more code (and answering some more user questions). I suggest we all do the same. Craig, While I more than vastly respect the huge work you are doing

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-12 Thread Ted Husted
Stephane Bailliez wrote: I just had the same problem a couple of hours ago. Someone asked how to retrieve the servlet parameters from web.xml, I replied with the link to the servlet api..then I got a private email please help, could you give the name of class that does it. Like what he did

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-12 Thread Frans Thamura
: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Comment for Apache.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list is named [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I suggest the creation of such mailing list and the creation

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-12 Thread Stephane Bailliez
-Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] The most important thing to remember is that we are all volunteers here, and we are not alone. If you don't want to do something, don't do it. Someone else will step in ... that's what meritocracy is all about.

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-12 Thread Ted Husted
Subject: Re: Comment for Apache.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list is named [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I suggest the creation of such mailing list and the creation of a Jon page explaining

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-12 Thread Frans Thamura
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: RE: Comment for Apache.org -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] The most important thing to remember is that we are all volunteers here

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Endre StĂžlsvik
On 10 Dec 2001, Kevin A. Burton - burtonator wrote: | Give jon a break. With all the hard work he has done he at least deserves the | benefit of the doubt on all these e-mails. What about the times when there is no doubt? When he just behaves totally assholeish? | | When you come close to

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread lloyd
In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project What does one's relative standing in the Jakarta project have to do with how you conduct yourself with other project members - or even

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Tiseo, Paul
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:45 PM When you come close to 1/5th the amount of work he has done for Apache then you can judge. So, if I understand Apache's so-called meritocracy system, the more you do for a project, the more

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
At 10:32 AM -0500 12/11/01, Tiseo, Paul wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:45 PM When you come close to 1/5th the amount of work he has done for Apache then you can judge. So, if I understand Apache's so-called meritocracy

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 03:19 PM, lloyd wrote: In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project What does one's relative standing in the Jakarta project have to do with how you

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 12/11/01 10:32 AM, Tiseo, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:45 PM When you come close to 1/5th the amount of work he has done for Apache then you can judge. So, if I understand Apache's so-called

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, robert burrell donkin wrote: if you want things to change, then you need to do something about it (am i sounding like jon? ;) if you were to answer newbie questions - to the best of your ability - then jon wouldn't have to make time to answer them. there's something

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega
I vastly respect Jon's contributions to Apache -- but I'm disappointed that he doesn't seem to care that his approach to email makes the overall community smaller than it otherwise would be (due to people not being willing to deal with his style). Thanks Craig, Sorry Jon, I Agree..

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread GOMEZ Henri
In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project Everybody could disagree with someone but the generally accepted rule is to stay correct with the person. There is many forums on the web to

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 12/11/01 5:12 PM, GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project Everybody could disagree with someone but the generally accepted rule is to stay

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Paulo Gaspar
. -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:27 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Comment for Apache.org On 12/11/01 5:12 PM, GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Scott Tavares
- Original Message - From: robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip if you want things to change, then you need to do something about it (am i sounding like jon? ;) if you were to answer newbie questions - to the best of your ability - then jon wouldn't have to make time to

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Stephane Bailliez
-Original Message- From: Frans Thamura [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] Is there a team that responsible for managing the projects of apache projects. Like in Apache XML may be there is a team that manage that. I have been working several years in IT, and managing the

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread lloyd
Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical Having lurked on this list for awhile, I'd say it would be great if you could get through one e-mail exchange without being an asshole. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Berin Loritsch
lloyd wrote: Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical Having lurked on this list for awhile, I'd say it would be great if you could get through one e-mail exchange without being an asshole. Not again. People, even if you don't like Jon, can we just let

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Ted Husted
It is admittedly not a perfect universe, but I think the Jakarta Universe would be poorer without Jon Stevens in our midst. Some things are a package deal, and Jon seems to be one of them. I sometimes wonder if he is not employing reverse psychology on the rest of it. For example, it was Jon's

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Ted Husted
Frans, Jakarta has a Project Management Committee, much the same as XML. We are all run by the Apache Software Foundation, and have the same ground rules. http://apache.org/foundation/roles.html There is a private PMC mailing list, but it is rarely used. Most communication takes place here,

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:08 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Comment for Apache.org It is admittedly not a perfect universe, but I think the Jakarta Universe would be poorer without Jon Stevens in our midst. Some things are a package deal

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Tod Thomas
Ted Husted wrote: I sometimes wonder if he is not employing reverse psychology on the rest of it. For example, it was Jon's flames that gave birth to the Commons (like a Phoenix rising from the ashes). He said that saying some of us weren't playing nice with others -- so we set up a

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 12/10/01 9:08 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is admittedly not a perfect universe, but I think the Jakarta Universe would be poorer without Jon Stevens in our midst. Some things are a package deal, and Jon seems to be one of them. I sometimes wonder if he is not employing

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Kevin A. Burton - burtonator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical Having lurked on this list for awhile, I'd say it would be great if you could get through one e-mail exchange without being an asshole.

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Scott Tavares
] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Comment for Apache.org lloyd wrote: Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical Having lurked on this list for awhile, I'd say it would be great if you could get through one e-mail exchange without being

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Jon Stevens
on 12/10/01 4:43 PM, Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope!!! jon is a complete ASSHOLE! If YAFF happens it is jon's fault! Put the responsibility where it belongs... on jon. It's him that keeps creating these commotions needlessly. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html p.s.

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Scott Tavares
- Original Message - From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Comment for Apache.org on 12/10/01 4:43 PM, Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope!!! jon is a complete ASSHOLE! If YAFF happens it is jon's

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Jon Stevens
on 12/10/01 6:14 PM, Scott Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also know that I haven't contributed to the Jakarta project in close to three years now because you insulted me one too many times. Lame excuse. Life is full of people you may not like. If you use that as your excuse for not

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Punky Tse
- Original Message - From: Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] lloyd wrote: Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical Having lurked on this list for awhile, I'd say it would be great if you could get through one e-mail exchange without being an

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-09 Thread Jon Stevens
Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical sense. -jon on 12/9/01 3:57 AM, Frans Thamura [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All,, Do you know where the list for comment the apache.org web site.. Is there a team that responsible for managing the projects of