Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-28 Thread James Duncan Davidson
on 2/11/01 2:47 AM, Jim Driscoll at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fixing the license part is hard. Fixing the community part is now Duncan's job. Go, Duncan! Actually seeing if I can fix it is part of my job. :) Subtle but important. If I actually *owned* that issue inside of Sun, it would

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
How very amusing. At 11:06 10/2/01 -0800, Jim Driscoll wrote: The internet, where everyone's an expert. yes - the biggest people of course are those who wear skippy badges and loudly claim their excellence. Yes there are lots of experts. Stop assuming things without checking facts. right

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-11 Thread Jon Stevens
on 2/11/01 2:47 AM, "Jim Driscoll" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And contribs didn't fall into a black hole, which is way more important than the license. Yup. That probably had way more to do with tying to the Apache brand than the OS nature of the licensing terms. If Sun'd released Tomcat

Re: Olympics (was: Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?))

2001-02-10 Thread Kief Morris
I am with you on that one, Jon. I cannot figure out why people would use JSP when they have Servlets. I think JSP was really just to counter ASP. In an engineer's world, the technically superior product would always win, while marketing and customer demand would take a back seat to good

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-10 Thread Jim Driscoll
The internet, where everyone's an expert. And a conspiracy theorist. Well, listen up, I was there, and I've been pushing for select() since 1.1, so let me fill you in: You're full of it. Stop assuming things without checking facts. There's only been one (1) person working on java.net since

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-10 Thread Jon Stevens
on 2/10/01 11:06 AM, "Jim Driscoll" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not entirely true. If it was trivial, someone would have cranked it out over a weekend. Heck, you've got the source code (in SCSL) - why don't YOU do it. I bet that more people would be willing to contribute to Sun's

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-06 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:54 6/2/01 -0800, James Duncan Davidson wrote: On 2/2/01 12:56 PM, "Peter Donald" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider the case of select() style functionality - why has not that been added. It's not because it isn't portable, nor is it because it is technically hard or a design challenge.

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-06 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conclusion ?? (it should be obvious). Conclusion: They pay my salary, and make me happy... If you want a select() call, it's as easy as 1...2...3... to write it using JNI... Pier :)

RE: What is Avalon?

2001-02-02 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega
reaches almost 5'11"... And 4 inches are _something_ :) Pier (thinking: Tomcat is higher than anything else, I'm 6'0") Which tomcat ? i'm about 6'7" :-) Saludos , Ignacio J. Ortega PS: Sorry for waste of bandwidth :)

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-02 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:41 2/2/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: When considering the merits of a product, it is important to consider the human factor of both our users and developers. It's no secret the teams working on competiting solutions often "hate each other". Maybe that's a good thing. It may not be as

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-02 Thread Ted Husted
On 2/3/2001 at 8:13 AM Peter Donald wrote: We can't force projects - especially new ones - to reuse existing codebases but overtime we should encourage it. Thanks for saying this better than I did, Peter. +1. I'd like to be a good Apache scientist some day, but sometimes it's hard to

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-02 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, I just *mostly* implemented the J2EE extensions for Turbine's Connection pool (the classes now at least implement the interfaces). It took me all of about 30 minutes. Have fun. Thank you :) :) :) Pier -- Pier Fumagalli

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-01 Thread Jon Stevens
on 2/1/01 5:22 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coding an app to the Turbine connection pool's API is certainly feasible, and it will run in this kind of environment -- but you will not be using the container's built in facilities, which allow containers to implement

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-01 Thread Jon Stevens
on 2/1/01 5:13 PM, "Sam Ruby" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both the impending Tomcat 3.3 and Tomcat 4.0 look considerably different internally than the original Tomcat 3.0. But the overwhelming majority of the servlets that ran on Tomcat 3.0 will run on either. The reason? The much maligned

Re: What is Avalon?

2001-02-01 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now for the $50,000 question: Which is "higher": Avalon or Turbine? I believe Avalon, because Jon is somewhere around 5'7" tall, while Federico reaches almost 5'11"... And 4 inches are _something_ :) Pier (thinking: Tomcat is higher than anything else,

Re: What is Avalon?

2001-02-01 Thread Peter Donald
At 10:33 1/2/01 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: Peter Donald wrote: I have another theory ;) Reuse occurs vertically not horizontally. For instance Cocoon reuses a lot of Avalon code and when a bit of code reaches a certain "generality" threshold in C2 it is bubbled back into Avalon (ie DataSource