Parallel Ant (was RE: The Complete Server Platform?)

2002-03-24 Thread Tim Vernum
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Cannot ant (like normal decent pmake/bsdmake) figure out from the dependencies what can be done in parallel. I am not asking for the awsomeness of 'make -j 8 world' of *BSD - butsomething close should be possible I take it - could be a nice

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/22/02 2:59 AM, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Mar 2002, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that ant is not made to take advantage of a multi-processor box, Ant isn't doing too many things that could take advantage of multiple processors - it doesn't

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-22 Thread Pete Chown
Jason van Zyl wrote: I assume that ant is not made to take advantage of a multi-processor box, (I compiled some code on a quad processor machine and ant didn't really seem to move that much faster then on my laptop) but if I compile ant using gjc would it take advantage of a multi-processor

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-22 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 02:59, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On 21 Mar 2002, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that ant is not made to take advantage of a multi-processor box, Ant isn't doing too many things that could take advantage of multiple processors - it doesn't compile

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-22 Thread Daniel Rall
Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 15:48, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 3/21/02 8:41 AM, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that ant is not made to take advantage of a multi-processor box, (I compiled some code on a quad processor machine and ant

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-22 Thread dirkx
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 3/22/02 2:59 AM, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Mar 2002, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that ant is not made to take advantage of a multi-processor box, Ant isn't doing too many things that could

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-21 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 15:48, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 3/21/02 8:41 AM, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that ant is not made to take advantage of a multi-processor box, (I compiled some code on a quad processor machine and ant didn't really seem to move that much faster

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-21 Thread costinm
On 21 Mar 2002, Jason van Zyl wrote: ( the startup time is just amazing, you'll not realize you run 'ant' instead of 'ls' ) I assume that ant is not made to take advantage of a multi-processor box, (I compiled some code on a quad processor machine and ant didn't really seem to move that

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-20 Thread Pete Chown
Daniel Rall wrote: Also, would you point me to a reference on how memory management is handled? It uses the Boehm collector. For full details see here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc/ It is a conservative collector that can also implement garbage collection for C and C++,

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-20 Thread costinm
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: One other question: Is there a valuable performance enhancement to compiling to native code with gcj? Right now - no, I couldn't notice any significant difference while running tomcat. It is as fast as IBM JIT ( and faster than hotspot ).

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-19 Thread Pete Chown
Daniel Rall wrote: Does the bytecode interpreter [from gcj] handle class loading yet? Yes. You can invoke the bytecode interpreter directly with gij if you don't want to compile. Gij will handle Class.forName and friends correctly. If you compile to native code, the resulting executable

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-19 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 3/19/02 8:36 AM, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel Rall wrote: Does the bytecode interpreter [from gcj] handle class loading yet? Yes. You can invoke the bytecode interpreter directly with gij if you don't want to compile. Gij will

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-19 Thread Daniel Rall
Pete Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel Rall wrote: Does the bytecode interpreter [from gcj] handle class loading yet? Yes. You can invoke the bytecode interpreter directly with gij if you don't want to compile. Gij will handle Class.forName and friends correctly. If you compile

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-19 Thread costinm
On 19 Mar 2002, Pete Chown wrote: Daniel Rall wrote: Does the bytecode interpreter [from gcj] handle class loading yet? Yes. You can invoke the bytecode interpreter directly with gij if you don't want to compile. Gij will handle Class.forName and friends correctly. I actually tested

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-03-18 Thread Daniel Rall
Pete Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The other thing I would like to push is gcj. It doesn't seem to be very well known. For people who haven't come across it, it is part of gcc and it is an ahead-of-time compiler for Java. It also includes a bytecode interpreter so it can deal with

RE: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread Leo Simons
: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: maandag 25 februari 2002 1:27 Aan: Jakarta General List Onderwerp: Re: The Complete Server Platform? Tim Hyde wrote: Andrus, I'm 100% behind the idea of the complete platform, but I'm worried that your proposal talks about 'Web Applications

RE: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread GOMEZ Henri
One small extra: if a RedHat style toolkit distribution were available, the number of independent consultants who could offer their support services would exceed the number available to BEA, for example, eliminating that argument that 'I buy where I can depend on getting support'. Well,

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Hammant
Leo, Jahia - goal:provide portal solution built on J2EE components. notes: Paul, seems like a shrink-wrap commercial solution to me??? It is. I was just pointing to it as some of the described plans/proposal were sounded like what it had done. Enhydra --- license:

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread Tim Hyde
the best. Or is that getting too altruistic ?-) - Tim - Original Message - From: Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 February 2002 11:00 Subject: RE: The Complete Server Platform? 'kay. Summary: (everyone, please correct and add

Re: Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread acoliver
altruistic ?-) - Tim - Original Message - From: Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 February 2002 11:00 Subject: RE: The Complete Server Platform? 'kay. Summary: (everyone, please correct and add to?) --- SIMILAR EFFORTS

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait GOMEZ Henri : One small extra: if a RedHat style toolkit distribution were available, the number of independent consultants who could offer their support services would exceed the number available to BEA, for example, eliminating that argument that 'I buy

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-25 Thread Andrus Adamchik
acoliver wrote: I think this would be less contentious then you think. Basically if you add the *oh the power of those who do* principal then you'll probably get some list chatter but just say are you volunteering and they'll nearly immediately shutup. +1 If you get two volunteers in

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Ted Husted
Leo Simons wrote: 2) a statement of intent in important places on the website. I'm guessing that putting we would like to see tomcat integrate with avalon on the projects' respective websites would mean that such will happen sooner. My concern would be that this promotes a We are Borg

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 10:30, Ted Husted wrote: Leo Simons wrote: 2) a statement of intent in important places on the website. I'm guessing that putting we would like to see tomcat integrate with avalon on the projects' respective websites would mean that such will happen sooner. My

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread cmanolache
On 23 Feb 2002, Pete Chown wrote: The other thing I would like to push is gcj. It doesn't seem to be very well known. For people who haven't come across it, it is part of gcc and it is an ahead-of-time compiler for Java. It also includes a bytecode interpreter so it can deal with

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Ted Husted wrote: My concern would be that this promotes a We are Borg attitude. This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform that uses open tools (as opposed to jakarta-only tools). Though of course

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Ted Husted wrote: My concern would be that this promotes a We are Borg attitude. This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform that uses

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik wrote This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform that uses open tools (as opposed to jakarta-only tools). Though of course it will

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Open Enterprise Distribution ... I'm bigger into descriptive names that mean something when they don't cause lawsuits... :-) You asked... What's in a name? -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 13:52, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Bill Barnhill
: Re: The Complete Server Platform? Open Enterprise Distribution ... I'm bigger into descriptive names that mean something when they don't cause lawsuits... :-) You asked... What's in a name? -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 13:52, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Sun

RE: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Marc Saegesser
Server Platform? Open Enterprise Distribution ... I'm bigger into descriptive names that mean something when they don't cause lawsuits... :-) You asked... What's in a name? -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 13:52, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Sun, 2002-02

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrus Adamchik
, February 24, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: The Complete Server Platform? Open Enterprise Distribution ... I'm bigger into descriptive names that mean something when they don't cause lawsuits... :-) You asked... What's in a name? -Andy

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Paul Hammant
Bill, Andrew, Andrus, Marc, How about a (semi?)-catchy name and a meaningful name-- Open Distribution for the Enterprise -- ODE Recap: This is a webapp project you are talking of? Or something that serves multiple server components (from Apache and others). The below was a project I very

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Tim Hyde
eventually !! - Tim - Original Message - From: Andrus Adamchik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 February 2002 21:38 Subject: Re: The Complete Server Platform? Meaningful names are OK with me too :-) . Suggested versions revolve around Enterprise

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Tim Hyde wrote: Andrus, I'm 100% behind the idea of the complete platform, but I'm worried that your proposal talks about 'Web Applications'. I believe that what's needed is an alternative to the very idea that J2EE (or even J2SE) is *the* definitive collection of java libraries, and

The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-23 Thread Leo Simons
There has been a lot of talk about what is wrong with the current main enterprise server platforms, whether it's about J2EE, .Net or Oracle. Many of the Jakarta projects provide a (IMHO) superior alternative to parts of those platforms. Yet Jakarta as a whole does not provide an alternative to

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-23 Thread Pete Chown
I was thinking about another way of pushing Jakarta, partly in the context of the issue with Sun. If there was an open process for standard setting, it could make Sun's closed process less important. The IETF does well at being open, but I don't think they would get involved in something like

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 11:01, Andrus Adamchik wrote: It is interesting that I made a similar proposal (or rather described the same idea) just yesterday on an unrelated mailing list, with the normal excuse of being too busy right now to start working in this direction (