[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-08-08 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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h3. Summary

The PPMC continues to make progress in resolving license and branding issues. 
During the a recent release vote on 1.7.0, with the help from Justin, a few 
more source distribution and branding issues were found. Here is the status on 
the issues, tracked in INCUBATOR-253. As of now, the PPMC *resolved 12 issues, 
with 11 still left*.

Most of the outstanding issues hinge on one key outstanding question, which is 
whether the components in MXNet that are produced by CUDA NVCC constitutes 
Category X code. PPMC member employed by Nvidia helped connect Nvidia's 
representatives including Michael O'Connor, Director of Deep Learning, who have 
been supportive in the efforts of clarification. Progress is tracked in 
LEGAL-516.

MXNet 1.7.0 release vote was put on hold for addressing the branding issues in 
third-party releases and for an IP clearance process.

So far, PPMC members from Intel (*Tao*), Nvidia (*Dick*), and Amazon 
(*Leonard*, *Henri*, *Qing*, *Sheng*) have acted to help resolve the issues.
h3. Status

1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code. 
(pending)
 - Source code releases by the PPMC do not contain Category X code, no issue.
 - Takedown of binary releases by the PPMC on repository.apache.org is on hold, 
see item 5.
 - PyPI releases are made by third-party. See item 8.

2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code. 
(resolved)
 - Website contained links to nightly development builds which have been 
removed [5];

3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code. 
(resolved)
 - Website contained links to third-party distributions. Disclaimers were added 
to the website clarifying the third-party status of the releases and their 
licenses. [5]

4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non-(P)PMC 
releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases. (resolved)
 - Website contained links to third-party distributions. Disclaimers were added 
to the website clarifying the third-party status of the releases and their 
licenses. [5]

5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code. (pending)
 - Takedown of binary releases on repository.apache.org initiated [6]. The 
scope depends on the resolution of LEGAL-516.

6. PyPI releases containing Category X licensed code. (pending)
 - There are no PyPI releases by the PPMC. Whether the third-party releases are 
compliant with branding guidelines depend on the resolution of LEGAL-516.

7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code. (pending)
 - There are no Docker releases by the PPMC. Whether the third-party releases 
are compliant with branding guidelines depend on the resolution of LEGAL-516.

8. Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code. (resolved)
 - There are no Docker releases by the PPMC. The PPMC verified the third-party 
releases that all are based on unmodified commits in MXNet, which is approved 
from brand management [3].

9. Trademark and branding issues with PyPI and Docker releases. (pending)
 - There are no PyPI or Docker releases by the PPMC. In addition, as they all 
contain binary from unmodified MXNet code, whether they are compliant in 
branding now solely depends on whether they contain Category X licensed code. 
Refer to item 6, 7, 8.

10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. (pending)
 - There are no binary releases by the PPMC besides the repository.apache.org 
releases in item 5.

11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
[https://repo.mxnet.io|https://repo.mxnet.io/] / 
[https://dist.mxnet.io|https://dist.mxnet.io/] (resolved)
 - Links to the nightly development builds were removed from the MXNet website 
and a robot.txt file was added to prevent indexing of the sites. These websites 
are removed from Google search index.

12. Releases and other nightly builds on 
[https://repo.mxnet.io|https://repo.mxnet.io/] / 
[https://dist.mxnet.io|https://dist.mxnet.io/] containing Category X licensed 
code (pending)
 - Neither of the two site contains releases. Whether the binaries there 
contain Category X components depends on the resolution of LEGAL-516.

13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
not. (resolved)
 - [https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases?after=1.2.0] previously 
did not distinguish MXNet releases prior to MXNet joining the Incubator. 
Disclaimers were added. Other PPMC platforms do not contain references to 
non-ASF releases (MXNet releases made prior to MXNet joining the ASF). The PPMC 
is aware of old third-party releases created prior to MXNet joining the ASF 
which are still available, but can be clearly separated from the ASF MXNet 

[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-08-08 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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That information doesn't belong there and as mentioned many times previously 
the boards needs a short concise summary. You are also confusing ASF policy 
with licensing issues, what 3rd parties ignore is not of relevance. I also see 
no mention of the Intel licensing issues.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-08-08 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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I added an update in the legal/trademarks section 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2020#legal--trademarks

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-08-06 Thread Henri Yandell (Jira)


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Henri Yandell commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Noting that the DJL project have updated their language with regards to Apache 
MXNet, covering point 19.

The DJL package naming in point 17 is referential, it's their (ai.djl)'s 
implementation of a provider for mxnet.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-07-26 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Other branding/trademark issues:
20. https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/NVIDIA-MXNet-by-NVIDIA/B07KLFW54D
21. 
https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-yex2xx5kgdhea?qid=1595741035764=0-1_=srh_res_product_title
22. 
https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B07YW8HVLD?qid=1595741035764=0-4_=srh_res_product_title
23. 
https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/search/results?x=0=0=%22MXNet

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-07-25 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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It also seems that this code may have been released before the PPMC/IPMC vote 
is over see [1][2][3][4] There are also branding and trademark issue with this 
site [5] This is in addition to the issues previously noted with releases, 
branding and trademarks.[6]

Thanks,
Justin

There seem to be more release, branding and trademark issues here:

15. https://sourceforge.net/projects/apache-mxnet.mirror/
16. 
https://repo.gradle.org/gradle/simple/repo/ai/djl/mxnet/mxnet-native-mkl/1.7.0-b/
17. https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/ai.djl.mxnet
18. 
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0=nd=mxnet=v=d=50_Search=Go
19. https://djl.ai


> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-07-12 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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It's really going to depend on the details and intent. Basically just because 
it allowed doesn't mean you should do to avoid other aspects of ASF policy on 
releases. These 3rd party releases could also bring along with them an 
increased possible risk with licensing, security, user confusion who owns the 
project, damage to the ASF brand and and a number of other issues. They would 
also probably mean more work for the (P)PMC on managing it's brand.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-07-12 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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[~jmclean] you added some notes to it and I'd like to continue the discussion 
here. You wrote:

> But I have two concerns ... b) branding all release as "3rd party" may not be 
> the best way to solve the issue.

First, I'd like to clarify that the claim is inaccurate in that we are not 
classifying all releases as "3rd party". For example, the source releases are 
still very much first party and we only make official source releases. In 
addition, assuming that you actually referred to convenience binary releases, 
I'd like to understand more on why having third-party handle the binary 
releases for our releases is "not the best". It serves the needs of our 
community for faster installation and the fact of having third-party releases 
does not appear to be forbidden in the overall policies in Apache. Could you be 
more specific on what your concerns are?

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-07-01 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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A summary and a link to report would be better as a) the text may change before 
the board meeting and b) people would like a nice concise summary. If they need 
more detail they can go to the link.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-07-01 Thread Leonard Lausen (Jira)


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Leonard Lausen commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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I'm including below an excerpt from the MXNet report to the Incubator:

 

 Issues with releases and distributions

# Background
In May 2020 The MXNet PPMC has proactively initiated a ASF policy compliance
review [1] and a license review [2] with the Apache Legal team.

The license review uncovered that

- Building unmodified MXNet release source code with the optional NVidia GPU
 support enabled results in a binary subject to restrictions of NVidia EULA.
- PPMC members and committers uploaded convenience releases to
 repository.apache.org which contain Category-X components. Both GPL and
 NVidia EULA components were found.
 
The policy review uncovered that:

- Prior ASF guidance to the PPMC (December 2018 legal review [3]) was incomplete
 and did not include a reference to the "unwritten" rule that convenience
 binary distributions created by third-parties using ASF Trademarks must not
 include Category-X components. Based on this discovery, the Draft Downstream
 Distribution Branding Policy was updated in June 2020 to include the
 "unwritten" requirement. Based on the updated guidance, PPMC discovered
 various third-party trademark infringements.
 
The policy review did not yet conclude on the questions if

- The PPMC may create nightly development builds (audience restricted to dev
 list subscribers as per Release policy [4]) for the purpose of testing and
 developing MXNet;

# List of issues and their status

Justin classified the issues into 14 items.

1) Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.

See summary from license review in Background section. Source code releases do
not contain Category X code; Takedown of binary releases on
repository.apache.org is pending on Apache Infra. (Trademark infringements of
3rd-parties such as on pypi are discussed separately)

2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.

Website contained links to nightly development builds which have been removed 
[5];
Going forward the PPMC intends to begin periodical voting on Alpha and Beta
Releases which will then be linked from the website.

3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.

Website contained links to third-party distributions incorporating Category-X
components (see summary from license review above). Disclaimers were added to
the website clarifying the third-party status of the releases and their
licenses. [5]

4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non
(P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.

Website contained links to third-party distributions incorporating Category-X
components (see summary from license review above). Disclaimers were added to
the website clarifying the third-party status of the releases and their
licenses. [5]

5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.

See summary from license review in Background section. Source code releases do
not contain Category X code; Takedown of binary releases on
repository.apache.org is pending on Apache Infra. [6] (Trademark infringements 
of
3rd-parties are discussed separately)

6. PyPI releases containing Category X licensed code.

There are no PiPy releases by the PPMC. Please refer to the trademark
infringement section of the report.

7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.

There are no Docker releases by the PPMC. Please refer to the trademark
infringement section of the report.

8. Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.

There are no Docker releases by the PPMC. The existence of third-party releases
containing unreleased code was approved in [3] and is also in line with the
current Downstream Distribution Branding Draft Policy. ("using any particular
revision from the development branch is OK" [3])

9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases.

There are no PiPy releases by the PPMC. Please refer to the trademark
infringement section of the report.

10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases.

There are no binary releases by the PPMC besides the repository.apache.org
releases discussed above, which are being removed.
Please refer to the trademark infringement section of
the report.

11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable
https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io

Links to the nightly development builds were removed from the MXNet website and
a robot.txt file was added to prevent indexing of the sites. These websites are
removed from Google search index.

12. Releases and other nightly builds on
https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed 
code.

Neither of the two site contains Releases. It is an open question of the 

[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-29 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Please refer to the conversation on your private list.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-29 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Justin, why did you delete my comment?

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-29 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Here's an update on the progress so far. See live version in 
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/18397

Per 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r738c102492649c754f49e2195985bc765df07df3c8a1e06942e8872f%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E,
 there are several licensing issues that we need to address and below are the 
issues as well as action items in each area.

## Developer pre-releases

This section tracks the problems that are related to nightly builds and 
developer-only pre-releases. The related issues are:
- Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
- The repo.mxnet.io and dist.mxnet.io weren't clear that the binaries there are 
for developer testing only and not for public consumption.
 
**Actions**
- [x] Add disclaimer to repo.mxnet.io and dist.mxnet.io to clarify that the 
nightly releases there are not intended for public consumption. (**done**)
- [x] Remove non-Apache releases in github release page. 
(**done**)(https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases)
- [x] Remove repo.mxnet.io and dist.mxnet.io from search engine index 
(**done**)(https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/18397#issuecomment-647075093)

## First-party release

This section tracks the problems that are related to official releases that are 
intended to be Apache License v2 compliant. The related issues are:
- convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code
- Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
- PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
- Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
- Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases.

**Actions**
- [ ] Delete problematic Maven releases. (**Waiting for action from Apache 
infra**) 
([thread](https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ra4e9572ac74857a80c64a31e8bf292d353e74cfa87bf457f47450303%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E),
 [INFRA-20442](https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20442))
- [ ] Delete problematic pypi releases.
- [ ] Delete problematic docker releases.

## Third-party release

This section tracks the problems that are related to convenience binary 
releases that cannot be Apache License v2 compliant. The related issues are:
- Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is not.
- Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
- Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases.
- NVIDIA's build of MXNet contains unreleased code: 
https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html
- AWS Deep Learning Container build of MXNet contains unreleased code: 
https://github.com/aws/deep-learning-containers/blob/master/mxnet/training/docker/1.6.0/py3/Dockerfile.gpu#L10

**Actions**
- [ ] Review with Apache Trademark on the current third-party binary 
distributions of mxnet and make necessary correction. (**In progress**)
- [ ] Review with Apache Legal on the appropriate license for convenience 
binary distribution and display it prominently. (**in 
progress**)([LEGAL-515](https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-515))
- [ ] Resolve NVIDIA trademark usage issue for MXNet (**in progress**, engaged 
NVIDIA in [LEGAL-516](https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-516))
- [ ] Resolve Amazon trademark usage issue for MXNet (**in progress**)
- [ ] Replacement Maven binary release as third-party release.
- [ ] Replacement pypi binary releases as third-party release.

## Documentation

This section tracks the problems that are related to documentation for releases 
and pre-releases. The related issues are:
- Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
- Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
- Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non (P)PMC 
releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
- Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is not.

**Actions**
- [ ] create separate Apache and non-Apache release sections in downloads page.
- [x] add disclaimer for non-Apache releases in installation selector (**done**)
- [x] remove mentions of nightly builds in pypi page in wheel build pipeline 
(**done**, update will happen with next release)

## Longer-term

This section tracks items that are for the purpose of mitigating usability 
impact as a result of addressing the issues above.

**Actions**
- [ ] Add source distribution to PyPI package `apache-mxnet` and build 
automatically on user machines.

Related:
#18463 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> 

[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-24 Thread Bob Paulin (Jira)


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Bob Paulin commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Based on some of the replies here there does seem to be some confusion around 
where the license ends and the trademark begins.  There are a number of good 
resource on how the ASF enforces it's trademarks here [1].  The separation of 
the license from the trademark is defined in the ASF license
{code:java}
 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant
permission to use the trade names, trademarks, service marks, or product
names of the Licensor, except as required for reasonable and customary use
in describing the origin of the Work and reproducing the content of the
NOTICE file. {code}
I would recommend the PPMC take a look at these resources to gain some 
insights.  These policies have been around for some time.  Many of these 
comments may appear to be individual opinions however they are consistent with 
prior VPs of Brand Management.

[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources#slides

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-24 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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By the way, I have of course read the LEGAL-515 that we created, and we are 
discussing the CUDA licensing and distribution requirements in LEGAL-516.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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> Justin: 3rd party distribution also have different branding and trademark 
> policies they need to comply with. In general they would also need to be 
> based on released code.

> Sheng: I don't think the incubator has the right to require this given that 
> the apache license v2 allows redistribution with or without modification as 
> long as the conditions are met.

> Justin: The incubator has every right to ask podlings to comply with ASF 
> policy. ASF policy is on top of what the Apache License allows.

Agreed on the last comment. This is truism and (I believe) not relevant here, 
given that we were talking about third-party releases. I included the full 
context above for your convenience.

The responsibility of the PPMC in this case would be to make sure users of our 
project are sufficiently notified that these are not first-party releases and 
that they contain additional components that pose further restriction than what 
ALv2 license grants. And we the PPMC fully intend to do so. As mentioned, we 
will propose the option we want to pursue in full observation of the Apache's 
policies and we can continue the discussion on how to do this properly.

 

> The incubator also has the right to terminate a project if it doesn't comply 
>with policy.

Please realize that if certain constraints affect the viability of our 
ecosystem, a threat to terminate carries little weight to us. Also, one 
difficulty we've been having is caused by individuals imposing their opinions 
as policies on us. Examples include draft release policies that haven't 
sufficiently considered podling's release needs or passed proper Apache 
processes.

That said, we are still working hard to find a way to make MXNet viable in 
Apache incubator. In the unfortunate circumstances in which this is no longer 
possible, or that we have policy violations that the incubator can no longer 
tolerate to the extent that termination is warranted, let us know.

 

At the core, the problem is that GPU acceleration, one of the two pillars of 
modern deep learning frameworks (w/ the other pillar being 
auto-differentiation) only receives the status of category-X optional features 
at Apache. As a result, MXNet has no choice but to seek ways to accommodate 
both the goal of protecting the freedom for the use of our software and the 
goal of having a useful deep learning framework. Thus, we test many unclear 
definitions in the scope of category-X optional features. We also do not expect 
the situation to change as new hardware accelerator vendors are unlikely to 
allow reverse engineering which is incompatible with ALv2. There have been 
several generations of popular deep learning frameworks and we realize now that 
it's no coincidence that none was in Apache before MXNet.

As PPMC, we fully intend to uphold our responsibility of protecting our users 
from legal risks as part of Apache and we are learning our lessons for this. 
Keep in mind that we also have the responsibility to be a useful modern deep 
learning framework. We will not compromise one responsibility for the other. My 
hope is that the incubator is willing to work with us through rational 
discussion, and help guide us to our goal in the welcoming way of Apache.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd 

[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-23 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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The incubator has every right to ask podlings to comply with ASF policy. ASF 
policy is on top of what the Apache License allows.  The incubator also has the 
right to terminate a project if it doesn't comply with policy. See 
https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#termination

Again I suggest you read https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-515 


> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-22 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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> Anyone including PPMC members (with hat off) can build a third party artifact 
>but it needs to be clear to potential downloaders/users that said artifact is 
>a third party artifact.

> 3rd party distribution also have different branding and trademark policies 
>they need to comply with.

This makes sense. We plan to make a proposal on how our community will provide 
pre-built binary as third-party releases that adhere to the branding and 
trademark policies.

> In general they would also need to be based on released code.

I don't think the incubator has the right to require this given that the apache 
license v2 allows redistribution with or without modification as long as the 
conditions are met.

> in short if it a channel controlled by the (P)PMC then it would not be 
>considered an 3rd party release.

The definition of "control" is ambiguous. As long as the PPMC hat can be on or 
off at will, any declaration of "controlled by the (P)PMC" can be true and 
false at the same time.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-22 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-515 for more info, but in short 
if it a channel controlled by the (P)PMC then it would not be considered an 3rd 
party release.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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2020-06-22 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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3rd party distribution also have different branding and trademark policies they 
need to comply with. In general they would also need to be based on released 
code.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-22 Thread Paul King (Jira)


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Paul King commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Anyone including PPMC members (with hat off) can build a third party artifact 
but it needs to be clear to potential downloaders/users that said artifact is a 
third party artifact. You would typically need special arrangements/permission 
for such an artifact to be stored on Apache infrastructure for instance.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-22 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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> I would be of the opinion that nightly builds (or in fact any build) created 
> by the PPMC are NOT allowed to have category X licensed code.

I'd like to clarify on this. What's the definition of a build that's created by 
the PPMC? Can I, a PPMC member, take my PPMC hat off and make a build? If not, 
does it mean that making a build as an independent individual is a right that 
one waives when joining an apache project as a committer/PPMC?

The viability of the growth of MXNet ecosystem hinges on this point so I'd 
appreciate clear answers on the my questions.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-21 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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In relation to 14 as it seems you already have a 3rd party that is making 
builds (although they need a little help/modification) would it not be better 
to work with them than creating the builds yourself? Here another page with 
branding/tradmark issues https://ngc.nvidia.com/catalog/containers/nvidia:mxnet

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> 14. Branding and release of 3rd parties containing unreleased code. (e.g. 
> https://docs.nvidia.com/deeplearning/frameworks/mxnet-release-notes/rel_20-03.html)
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-20 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Re 1 there was discussion about Category X headers included in the source code. 
2, 4, 13 are seperate issues. For the trade marks issue you cannot call a 
release  "Apache MXNet" if it contains something from category X, but there are 
also separate trademark issues with both the PiPy and Docker download pages. 7 
and 8 are seperate issues. Re 12 a Google search shows these artefacts to users 
to download. I would be of the opinion that nightly builds (or in fact any 
build) created by the PPMC are NOT allowed to have category X licensed code. Re 
category X code in releases I also believe there was multiple category X issues 
including one with Intel and one with CUDA.

The board or Incubator PMC is unlikely to search though GitHub issues to see 
what is being done, but they would look at your mailing list(s) for discussion 
about these items. I don't see any discussion about changing the CUDA license 
or what's involved there. Is this conversation taking place and if so where?

It's up to PPMC to correct these issues. At some point the project needs to do 
this for itself and shows it understand ASF policy before it can graduate. So 
it would be great if the project can how ahead and do this on it own and show 
it's making progress towards that goal. However if you need help please ask 
your mentors or if for some reason they can't help then bring it up here or on 
the general@ or relevant mailing list.



> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-20 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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12. Releases and other nightly builds on 
[https://repo.mxnet.io|https://repo.mxnet.io/] / 
[https://dist.mxnet.io|https://dist.mxnet.io/] containing category X licensed 
code.

We only have nightly builds on these websites and all binaries on these 
websites are for development and testing purposes. There is no "Releases" and 
we have never advertised that people should install convenience binaries of 
official releases from these websites. I believe nightly builds are allowed to 
have category X licensed code and thus I'm not sure if this item is a valid 
issue.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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2020-06-20 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.

What's an example of our docker release that contains unreleased/unapproved 
code that doesn't fall into the category X license? If none, I will consider 
these duplicates.

 

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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2020-06-20 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases.
10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases.

What binary releases other than the pypi and docker releases have trademark and 
branding issue? If none, I will consider these duplicates.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-20 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.

4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non (P)PMC 
releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.

13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is not.

 

These three items seem to refer to the same issue?

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-20 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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# Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.

Which source files are you referring to?

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-20 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Yes, I'm aware and I am updating that issue to reflect them. Also, we obviously 
missed some issues and I want to make sure that this doesn't happen again, so 
it would be great if you could help link to the existing previous discussions 
on each of the issues you listed above so that we could conduct a retrospect.

With respect to visibility to the board, I assume they can access the GitHub 
issues. Alternatively, I can paste back a weekly update on the status here.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-20 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)


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Justin Mclean commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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There are more issues mentioned above than in your GitHub issue. As this has 
been requested by the board please track progress here as the IPMC and board 
need visibility on progress, but you're welcome to track them internal as well. 
Some of these issues are very easily dealt with and could be resolved quickly. 
It's been serval months now since the project has been aware of most of these 
issues or could of taken it upon itself to fix them.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-253) Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution

2020-06-20 Thread Sheng Zha (Jira)


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Sheng Zha commented on INCUBATOR-253:
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Acknowledged. We have been tracking the efforts 
[https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/18397]. For now I will keep 
updating that issue until we are close to completion on this JIRA.

We are making some progress but due to the complexity, the number of involved 
parties, slow turnaround with some of them, while trying to minimize the impact 
to our community while carrying out the changes, we expect that it would take 
some time before the items complete. Given that we are the only project in 
Apache we are aware of that invest heavily on GPU acceleration, which is in the 
blast radius, we also expect that some additional discussions need to be made.

> Issues with MXNet releases and their distribution
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-253
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Justin Mclean
>Assignee: Justin Mclean
>Priority: Major
>
> The main issues are:
> 1. Source and convenance binary releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 2. Website giving access to downloads of non released/unapproved code.
> 3. Website giving access to releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 4. Web site doesn't given enough warning to users of the issues with non 
> (P)PMC releases or making it clear that these are not ASF releases.
> 5. Maven releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 6. PiPy releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 7. Docker releases containing Category X licensed code.
> 8 Docker releases containing unreleased/unapproved code.
> 9. Trademark and branding issues with PiPy and Docker releases. 
> 10. Trademark and brand issues with naming of releases. 
> 11. Developer releases available to users and public searchable 
> https://repo.mxnet.io / https://dist.mxnet.io
> 12. Releases and other nightly builds on https://repo.mxnet.io / 
> https://dist.mxnet.io containing category X licensed code.
> 13. Lack of clarity on all platforms for what is an ASF release and what is 
> not.
> For PiPy see:
> https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/
> For Docker see:
> https://hub.docker.com/u/mxnet
> For web site pages see:
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started?
> https://mxnet.apache.org/get_started/download
> I may of missed something, if so please add it.



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