> On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:42 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> HI,
>
>> I suggest:
>> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
>> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
>> corporate independence principle)
>> b) Asking our projects to add a
HI,
> I suggest:
> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
> corporate independence principle)
> b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
> c) Asking our projects to
There's probably a designer who can make this into a feather or a
octofeather...
http://tholman.com/github-corners/
Martijn
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:05 PM Harbs wrote:
> Sounds good to me.
>
> If there’s agreement on this, I’d suggest someone come up with some CSS
> which can be popped
Sounds good to me.
If there’s agreement on this, I’d suggest someone come up with some CSS which
can be popped into project sites similar to what GitHub offers for their
banners. (I’m not very good at CSS myself…) ;-)
Harbs
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>
>
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs wrote:
> ...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be
> to remove “GitHub” from the link...
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament wrote:
> ...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
>
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 8:57 PM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> adopted by many Apache projects.
>
> Probably more a discussion for the board or
Sure. I understand that. I have no issue with what happened with the graduating
project. (hence the new thread) Congrats on that!!! :-)
I’ll leave this here for a couple of days to give folks a chance to respond. If
folks think that this should continue on board@ then we can do that.
Cheers,
Hi,
I suggest you take this up with the board, as it is perhaps time to revisit it.
The trademark email BTW was directly related to this graduation and the GitHub
link, the project went further and removed company logos from another page as
well.
Thanks,
Justin
FWIW, this is the only thing I found on (private) press@
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/439a22a02f6200a106e4d209f401d98f9223c72df08ba8ea1d07f7ba%401418715959%40%3Cpress.apache.org%3E
The discussion on trademarks is about general sponsor links. As far as I can
tell, it has nothing to do with “Fork Me”.
I read the thread on board@ and I looked at the notes in the agenda from
2014_12_17.
I don’t see a consensus that Fork Me is not allowed. I do see a consensus that
it’s not
Ah, thanks Justin. Sorry I didn't notice the board action and the
recommendation from trademarks.
I don't think there's much left to discuss. The board and trademarks
have made their policy clear. We (the incubator) should make podlings
aware of the policy.
I think "fork me on GitHub" is less
Hi,
> I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the
> board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally made
some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened to
those. There
I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the
board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
Therefore it’s down to projects’ discretion how they promote themselves.
(Consistent with branding policy etc.)
Unless and until the board speaks I don’t think we need to tell
I was wondering what the best place for this discussion would be. I couldn’t
really think of a better place than incubator.
I considered starting the discussion on board@ or members@, but I didn’t want
another private discussion. Not sure about infra and I don’t know how many
folks follow that
Hi,
> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> adopted by many Apache projects.
Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF distribution
policy) than the
The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork -
meaning creating a new community out of an existing project. Whereas the
fork on github is really about raising pull requests Paul is mentioning.
We
I would think it is almost ubiquitous now for developers to know that the
easiest way for them to create a PR for instance is to fork the project
(the source code if you like) on Github.
It seems sensible to encourage the use of "Fork me on Github" as it
substantially lowers the barrier of
Thanks for the link to the board@ list. I agree with you that it’s a shame the
discussion was on a private list.
Yes. It seems that the concern of some is that link is an “ad”.
It seems to me that the primary purpose for the link is to make contributing
easier and the “advertisement” is
Hi,
If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity that
conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board action
item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github” ribbon is no
longer on the front page of the project in question.
Also
Hi,
In this particular case it could be seen as a) advertising a commercial entity
on an ASF’s project front page (using their marketing slogan) b) encouraging
users (who may not understand the consequences) to use unreleased code rather
than using the officially released downloads.
I think
This is not the first time “Fork Me” came up, but I don’t think there’s been a
clear consensus on the topic.
I think it’s an important topic, so I’m starting a new discussion.
It seems to me that the concern with using “Fork Me” is that it’s somehow
promoting unofficial releases. Please
Hi Craig,
Thanks for the suggestion.
> Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front
page refer to
https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ where
> contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed.
I've already removed the
I removed the GitHub logo from the website, instead of add a GitHub link in
the nav bar under the "Community" item.
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Tianqi Chen 于2020年3月27日周五 上午10:53写道：
> I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with
Hi
Thanks for everyone’s attention.
I see Justin's concern, and we will consider Craig's suggestion to make some
modifications.
Besides, as Tianqi and Sheng said, our initial and simple idea is to use `fork
me on gitHub`
to encourage more people to join the community or raise their
I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with Craig's
suggestion summarizes the cases clearly
TQ
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:44 PM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig
> suggest. I would also suggest change the
Hi,
It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig suggest. I
would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub marketing slogan.
There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found
discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share
Like in most cases when the argument can go both ways, I think it would be
helpful to summarize all the views and their pros and cons to give a
comprehensive picture.
The current summary of the points are:
Pros:
-P0: Encourages developers community participation to the project,
exercise
Hi,
By adding that you have placed a large prominent ad to commercial entity on
your home page. You are also using a marketing slogan from GitHub. Ask
yourself would you do that with any other commercial entity on your front page?
Thanks,
Justin
Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page
refer to https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/
where contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed.
The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork
I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the original
email context (about the infra request to remove the github link),
which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good way
to exercise the public archival principle.
TQ
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:40 PM
HI,
I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front page
and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this has changed
I’m not sure.
Thanks,
Justin
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Also I want to say that the intent is important when discussing many of
these cases.
In this case hopefully most of us we all agree, the original intention of
the project community is to encourage broader participation of the
community, rather than distributing un-released distribution.
TQ
On
It really depends on how do you interpret the github link as a un-released
distribution. A tarball of un-released source code is of course a
un-released distribution. It seems to be a bit broad to classify a github
link as a un-released distribution :)
In most cases, github is one of the
Hi,
I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1]. See "must
not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development community”,
having that on the front page does that IMO.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased
I can see arguments goes both ways:)
Apache is about community over code, github is certainly a place where the
(an important part of)community goes to, highlighting the link to that
seems to be OK if the project decide to do so.
TQ
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:34 PM Sheng Wu wrote:
> Hi, Justin
Hi, Justin
I think you misunderstand my point.
In the GitHub project is just saying the project uses GitHub. Just consider
it as a widely used platform.
The fork me thing, is just encouraging people to take part in code
development. Nothing more.
I don't think people would think this is a way to
Hi,
> I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep
> it.
You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project.
Thanks,
Justin
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Hi Justin,
Thank you for reminding, I have updated website again. Please check
again[1]. The changes are inline.
> One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps
not have it on the front page?
Yes,
Juan Pan 于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:24写道：
> Hi Justin,
>
>
> Thanks for your rapid feedback.
> > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated.
> See [1] for logos.
> We will update the logo ASAP.
>
>
> > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
>
Hi Justin,
Thanks for your rapid feedback.
> The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See
> [1] for logos.
We will update the logo ASAP.
> One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
> unreleased code, and I get it aimed at
Hi,
Nicely done and a huge improvement.
One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not
have it on the front page?
The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See
Hi everyone,
Taking Justin’s advices, we introduced a major redesign for our website[1]
to make it prominent in `Apache` feature.
Welcome your visit and comments. :)
[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org
Cheers,
Trista
Juan Pan (Trista)
Senior DBA & PPMC of
Hi Justin,
Thanks for your feedback.
I know your concern, and also we’d like to make our website prominent in
`Apache` feature.
So we visited many of the sites of Apache projects and list the todo items to
promote in ISSUE[1].
Please wait for this website updating. If any progress, I will
Thank you Justin, I get your point.
We will do the website better soon.
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Justin Mclean 于2020年3月25日周三 下午12:49写道：
> Hi,
>
> > Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.
>
> I’ve already shared them on your dev list
Hi,
> Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.
I’ve already shared them on your dev list a while back. These are not really
quick fix or technical things:
First a minor one and I do see some improvement, and this is subjective, but
you web site doesn’t immediately make it’s
Hi Justin,
> I do has some minor ones but I think the PMC can handle them.
Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Justin Mclean 于2020年3月25日周三 上午6:26写道：
> Hi,
>
> > Do you still have any concerns?
>
> I do
Hi,
> Do you still have any concerns?
I do has some minor ones but I think the PMC can handle them.
Thanks,
Justin
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Hi Sheng,
> Liang Zhang
> Could you update the resolution in the vote thread? Change the thing we
> discussed here.
Thanks for reminding me, done.
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Sheng Wu 于2020年3月24日周二 下午3:14写道：
> Hi Justin and Dave
> Do you still have
Hi Justin and Dave
Do you still have any concerns? We want to have your confirmation and
feedback.
Liang Zhang
Could you update the resolution in the vote thread? Change the thing we
discussed here.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108
zhangli...@apache.org 于2020年3月24日周二 下午3:11写道：
> If there are
If there are no other problems, can we continue voting?
The vote thread[1] has kept open for 11 days. How about we finish voting
after another extra 72 hours later?
[1]
The description is +1 to me:
Apache ShardingSphere related to a database clustering system providing
data sharding, distributed transactions, and distributed database
management.
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Juan Pan 于2020年3月23日周一 上午11:24写道：
> Hi
Hi Sally,
Thanks for your suggestions, which helps move this DISCUSSION forward much. :)
Welcome any suggestion from the community to help Sharding Sphere graduate
smoothly.
Cheers,
Trista
Juan Pan (Trista)
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
For me, yes.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108
Craig Russell 于2020年3月23日周一 上午10:35写道：
> Apache ShardingSphere ... related to a database clustering system
> providing data sharding, distributed transactions, and distributed database
> management.
>
> General enough, but specific enough?
>
>
zhangli...@apache.org 于2020年3月18日周三 下午1:11写道：
> Roger.
>
> How about use project description below to the board?
>
> Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
> sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.
>
Hi Liang, Juan and Craig
This is my
Looks like the branding issue has been resolve. Good job in building an
active community,
+1
TQ
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 1:44 AM Sally Khudairi wrote:
> Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!
>
> Best,
> Sally
>
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President
Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!
Best,
Sally
- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation
Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> I just added to
I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for
organizations' link.
I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].
[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Thanks so much, Liang.
Let's also keep an eye out for any messages from Mark in case there needs to be
any adjustments.
Best,
Sally
- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation
Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
On Sat, Mar
Hi Sally,
Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page
soon.
The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Sally Khudairi 于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
> One more thing --to
One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page are
going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
That's important.
Many thanks,
Sally
- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation
Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed response.
To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done with
other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache" badge
for your
Hi Sally,
We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project.
There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and
organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered by
Thanks your suggestions, and we will do as you said.
Cheers,
Trista
Juan Pan (Trista)
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org
On 03/19/2020 10:22，Dave Fisher wrote：
Hi -
I do think that the “user” page should be
Hi -
I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at press@
or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a compliant version
of what you are trying to do.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
Hi,
I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. Sponsors pay
a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak to branding about
this and see what they say.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
Hi Justin,
I know your concerns, and also, thanks for your feedback.
This page is simply to present who is using ShardingSphere.
If it gets you worried, we will remove it later.
BTW, could you provide some relative links to help us learn more about brand
policy and what you mainly concerned
Hi Craig,
As John mentioned, `distributed governance` is the `orchestration` module of
ShardingSphere,
which helps user refresh configuration online, disable application or restrict
access to databases.
If it is an issue, I suggest to rephrase it as `Orchestration`. What's your
idea?
Hi Craig,
Please have a look[1]
[1]
https://shardingsphere.apache.org/document/current/en/features/orchestration/
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Craig Russell 于2020年3月18日周三 下午1:37写道：
> Hi John,
>
> Can you give me a link to an article explaining
Hi John,
Can you give me a link to an article explaining distributed governance? I'm not
familiar with what it is and how ShardingSphere supports/implements it.
Thanks,
Craig
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 10:10 PM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
>
> Roger.
>
> How about use project description below
> I know some changes were made but I still have some concerns about this
page [1] and how it complies with our banding policy. and those link should
probably be nofollow links.
> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
Thank you for reminding.
I have no idea about this issue.
Roger.
How about use project description below to the board?
Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.
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Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
Craig Russell 于2020年3月18日周三
Hi,
I know some changes were made but I still have some concerns about this page
[1] and how it complies with our banding policy. and those link should probably
be nofollow links.
Justin
1. https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
Hi,
In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project. How about
... related to database middleware providing data sharding, heterogeneous
database support, and distributed transactions for Java application development.
Other functionality descriptions can be added but
It good to see ShardingSphere is ready to graduate.
My +1 for this proposal.
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:14 PM zhangli...@apache.org
wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
> vote result[2].
>
Carry over my vote +1 from dev list.
It is a wonderful journey, hope its community more diverse and active in the
future.
Juan Pan (Trista)
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org
On 03/9/2020 22:14，zhangli...@apache.org
As a veteran of ShardingShpere, Glad to see this important milestone of us,
Everyone cheers up!
Thanks, Hongtao.
zhangli...@apache.org 于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：
> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
> vote result[2].
>
> We'd like to bring this to a
Hi, ShardingSphere community,
really great job in the incubator journey, the community grown fast.
+1 (non-binding) and good luck.
Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX
Twitter: _WenMing
zhangli...@apache.org 于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：
> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1],
> For the mailing above link[3] seems broken: there is no "dev" branch.
Sorry for that, I just copy from the previous discussion email. During the
discussion,the community just switch the dev branch to master.
Thank you Sheng to update the url.
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Apache
The link[3] should be updated to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/e50fc90a7de3d2c25f833aed28eeda8cae79545a/MATURITY.md
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108
tison 于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:49写道：
> Hi John,
>
> Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
>
> For the mailing
Hi John,
Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
For the mailing above link[3] seems broken: there is no "dev" branch.
Best,
tison.
Sheng Wu 于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:42写道：
> Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
> Being there and watching the community grown.
>
>
Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
Being there and watching the community grown.
Carry my +1 binding from the dev ml.
Good luck.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108
zhangli...@apache.org 于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：
> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the
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