Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-14 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! I've committed the first cut and updated the website. I'm also adding a special section to the incubator report calling out projects where we would require a readout from the mentors. I would really appreciate if others can help with making the docs crisper, etc. Thanks, Roman. On Tue, Aug

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-12 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ...Including the patch below... Sorry to come in late but I had a look at [1] and it's way too complicated IMO, and I don't think the

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ... * since I haven't seen much of complaining, can I please commit my proposed stuff and then we can pile additional edits on top of that?... Sure, my complaining is more a general issue about incubator.apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-12 Thread jan i
On 12 August 2014 09:38, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ... * since I haven't seen much of complaining, can I please commit my proposed stuff and then we can pile additional edits on top of

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-12 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ...Including the patch below... Sorry to come in late but

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 11 Aug 2014, at 10:14, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: With this in mind, I would remove almost everything from the What is retirement section and keep just A retired project is a project which has been closed down for various reasons, instead of graduating as an Apache project. It is no

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ...Including the patch below... Sorry to come in late but I had a look at [1] and it's way too complicated IMO, and I don't think the proposed patch helps with that. In general http://incubator.apache.org/ is way too

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-10 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! Sorry for the delay -- OSCON and then a vacation (that was long promised to my family but never delivered) derailed my legislative agenda at IPMC ;-) Attached is the proposed patch to the Incubator website detailing the policy. Please comment. Thanks, Roman. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:47

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-10 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Seems like attachments are eaten away by general@ Including the patch bellow Index: content/guides/retirement.xml === --- content/guides/retirement.xml (revision 1617182) +++ content/guides/retirement.xml (working copy) @@ -64,6

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-08-10 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
It makes sense. And it also seems to be a decent compilation of the points agreed in the earlier and lengthy discussion on the topic. Cos On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 05:22PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: Seems like attachments are eaten away by general@ Including the patch bellow Index:

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-16 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2014, at 8:05, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: That's actually the part of the thread that I have a lot of interest in. Is there

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-15 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2014, at 8:05, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: That's actually the part of the thread that I have a lot of interest in. Is there any reason not to use attic for hibernated podlings? I am not sure if there is a

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-12 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:18 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I think its something like If a podling is over a year old and not done a release then retire it. Almost. What is being proposed is not an immediate retirement, but rather a vote. So it should really read: If a podling is

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 12 Jul 2014, at 8:05, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:18 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: As i've said i don't think thats a very good rule and doesn't seem like its really been thought through properly. For example, its kept saying that the podling would go to

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-11 Thread ant elder
This is quite a long thread now so its not that clear what the actual proposal is now, could you maybe state what the current proposal is? I think its something like If a podling is over a year old and not done a release then retire it. As i've said i don't think thats a very good rule and

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-09 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:01 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Right, and thats why i don't think a rule like that would be useful. I still don't quite follow. Are you saying that the rule wouldn't be useful, or that incubator - attic migration wouldn't be? If Droids was made to retire

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-09 Thread Chris Douglas
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Again, why would code lose users? Remember we're talking about a situation of no releases here. Presumably those users who are comfortable building from the repo would just keep doing so. And since there was no release,

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-09 Thread Rob Vesse
On 09/07/2014 09:12, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Again, why would code lose users? Remember we're talking about a situation of no releases here. Presumably those users who are comfortable building from the

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-09 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Rob Vesse rve...@dotnetrdf.org wrote: On 09/07/2014 09:12, Chris Douglas cdoug...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Again, why would code lose users? Remember we're talking about a situation of no releases

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-02 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 04:23 AM, ant elder wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Hi! Sorry for a belated reply -- at first I was following Doug's rule and then I got

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-07-01 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Hi! Sorry for a belated reply -- at first I was following Doug's rule and then I got distracted ;-) That said -- I really would like to drive us to some kind consensus (even if we have to do the vote) because the

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-30 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! Sorry for a belated reply -- at first I was following Doug's rule and then I got distracted ;-) That said -- I really would like to drive us to some kind consensus (even if we have to do the vote) because the current situation is simply sad (top 8 project):

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-30 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'll offer OpenOffice as an example of how long an initial podling release can take in some cases, due to a number of factors: I agree with all of your points. Most of all with your final conclusion. I still can't help but

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-25 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 24 Jun 2014, at 21:27, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 7:24, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: That said, reminding people of the release often and early thing is

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-25 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 21:27, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 7:24, Roman

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-25 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 25 Jun 2014, at 10:38, ant elder wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 21:27, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-24 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 24 Jun 2014, at 7:24, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I think its not enough to just look at release / committer additions. In the case of Wave, there was a committer addition in the past year. Still no commits, nor a

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-24 Thread Upayavira
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 7:24, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I think its not enough to just look at release / committer additions. In the case of Wave,

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 24 Jun 2014, at 7:24, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I think its not enough to

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-23 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I think its not enough to just look at release / committer additions. In the case of Wave, there was a committer addition in the past year. Still no commits, nor a release. Looking closer you would find that

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-22 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:54AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: To this end, I'd like to prose a very simplistic criteria for a potential retirement from the incubator: unless both of of the following applies project get

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-19 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: To this end, I'd like to prose a very simplistic criteria for a potential retirement from the incubator: unless both of of the following applies project get put to a retirement IPMC vote: * there has been a release

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-19 Thread Alexander Broekhuis
Hi, 2014-06-19 8:14 GMT+02:00 Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org: Hi! based on a recent thread inspired by observing some of the podlings, I'd like to kick start a discussion around making an amendment to our Incubator policy:

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-19 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Alexander Broekhuis a.broekh...@gmail.com wrote: as the retirement criteria would IMO be too harsh for Celix when we started. In a similar vein, Drill currently has about the same number of commits and mail messages as Hive does, but hasn't had a release in

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 19 Jun 2014, at 14:54, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: To this end, I'd like to prose a very simplistic criteria for a potential retirement from the incubator: unless both of of the following applies project get put to a