Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
On Monday, November 26, 2012, Andy Seaborne wrote: ...One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC so we're waiting until we have three formal mentors before calling the proposal vote IMO you can go forward with the vote and indicate that having Fabian as a mentor is pending final Incubator PMC membership approval as we did with Flex, see http://markmail.org/message/puo2rtrvby65lb3m -Bertrand
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
A quick update on the Marmotta proposal. Thanks everyone for the comments. The proposal should reflect the discussions. One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC so we're waiting until we have three formal mentors before calling the proposal vote. (and still, ideally, looking for an experienced mentor - I'm looking like the old timer on the projects mentor list!) Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
Andy, who's missing? N. is now formally a member. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: A quick update on the Marmotta proposal. Thanks everyone for the comments. The proposal should reflect the discussions. One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC so we're waiting until we have three formal mentors before calling the proposal vote. (and still, ideally, looking for an experienced mentor - I'm looking like the old timer on the projects mentor list!) Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
Benson, everything is fine regarding Nandana, but we're still awaiting a formal resolution about Fabian Christ. On 26.11.2012 21:15, Benson Margulies wrote: Andy, who's missing? N. is now formally a member. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: A quick update on the Marmotta proposal. Thanks everyone for the comments. The proposal should reflect the discussions. One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC so we're waiting until we have three formal mentors before calling the proposal vote. (and still, ideally, looking for an experienced mentor - I'm looking like the old timer on the projects mentor list!) Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
OK, I get it. We've got that in process. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Sergio Fernández sergio.fernan...@salzburgresearch.at wrote: Benson, everything is fine regarding Nandana, but we're still awaiting a formal resolution about Fabian Christ. On 26.11.2012 21:15, Benson Margulies wrote: Andy, who's missing? N. is now formally a member. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: A quick update on the Marmotta proposal. Thanks everyone for the comments. The proposal should reflect the discussions. One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC so we're waiting until we have three formal mentors before calling the proposal vote. (and still, ideally, looking for an experienced mentor - I'm looking like the old timer on the projects mentor list!) Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
FYI, I've created a wiki page describing in how far Clerezza complies with the Linked Data Platform Recommendations: http://wiki.apache.org/clerezza/LinkedDataPlatform Clerezza is currently discussing graduation, an issue is that the project covers two quite distinct areas, one being an RDF API with respective adapters and tools and the other an OSGi based linked data platform and framework for building Semantic Web apps. Not sure in how far you think we could pool effort. IIUC the Marmotta proposal is based on an open source project that has been around since 2008 so a lot of technological choices have already been taken. Reto On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Sergio Fernández sergio.fernan...@salzburgresearch.at wrote: Sure, Thomas, all details that improve the readability of the proposal are always welcomed :-) On 21/11/12 12:32, Thomas Kurz wrote: Hi Sergio, maybe you can add links to the Linked Media Framework in the Background section, too. I know it is linked later in the text, but a reader, who isn't familiar to LMF gets lost here. Same for the mentioned modules (LDPath, etc.). All the other things are fine. Best, Thomas Am 21.11.2012 um 12:18 schrieb Sergio Fernándezsergio.fernandez@** salzburgresearch.at sergio.fernan...@salzburgresearch.at: Dear all, I'd point out that we have updated the proposal taking into account the comments of this thread. The new version of the text can be found at the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/MarmottaProposalhttp://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MarmottaProposal Please, feel free to tell us anything else that deems relevant. Thanks so much for all the feedback received. Best, -- Sergio Fernández Salzburg Research +43 662 2288 318 Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II A-5020 Salzburg (Austria) http://www.salzburgresearch.at --**--** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.**apache.orggeneral-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.**orggeneral-h...@incubator.apache.org --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.**apache.orggeneral-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.**orggeneral-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Sergio Fernández Salzburg Research +43 662 2288 318 Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II A-5020 Salzburg (Austria) http://www.salzburgresearch.at --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.**apache.orggeneral-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.**orggeneral-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
On 20/11/12 10:05, Sergio Fernández wrote: Hi, we were internally discussing that the project would benefit a lot from having a mentor outside of the core Semantic Web community. Then he/she could help us to address those issues of which are not fully aware when you work so close in a topic. For instance, someone from the REST community would be great! Any volunteer(s)? Cheers, Two of the three mentors are new to mentoring and fairly new to Apache, each having done once round the incubator loop in a recent projects (Jena, Stanbol) as project members. We're feeling a bit light on Apache history and breadth. The project would benefit from a mentor with a longer Apache history - someone who can give a wider perspective about culture and community - who ensures we establish the wider ideals of the foundation into the Marmotta community. Volunteer? (Or a mentor-mentor?) Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
Dear all, I'd point out that we have updated the proposal taking into account the comments of this thread. The new version of the text can be found at the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MarmottaProposal Please, feel free to tell us anything else that deems relevant. Thanks so much for all the feedback received. Best, -- Sergio Fernández Salzburg Research +43 662 2288 318 Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II A-5020 Salzburg (Austria) http://www.salzburgresearch.at - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
Hi Sergio, maybe you can add links to the Linked Media Framework in the Background section, too. I know it is linked later in the text, but a reader, who isn't familiar to LMF gets lost here. Same for the mentioned modules (LDPath, etc.). All the other things are fine. Best, Thomas Am 21.11.2012 um 12:18 schrieb Sergio Fernández sergio.fernan...@salzburgresearch.at: Dear all, I'd point out that we have updated the proposal taking into account the comments of this thread. The new version of the text can be found at the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MarmottaProposal Please, feel free to tell us anything else that deems relevant. Thanks so much for all the feedback received. Best, -- Sergio Fernández Salzburg Research +43 662 2288 318 Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II A-5020 Salzburg (Austria) http://www.salzburgresearch.at - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
Hi, we were internally discussing that the project would benefit a lot from having a mentor outside of the core Semantic Web community. Then he/she could help us to address those issues of which are not fully aware when you work so close in a topic. For instance, someone from the REST community would be great! Any volunteer(s)? Cheers, -- Sergio Fernández Salzburg Research +43 662 2288 318 Jakob-Haringer Strasse 5/II A-5020 Salzburg (Austria) http://www.salzburgresearch.at - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta (was: Apache Linda)
Hi all, we have had a brainstorming round and came up with the suggestion Apache Marmotta as a new name. We looked a bit and the name seems not to be taken yet, so there would probably no legal issues with the name. Why Marmotta? It is Italian for marmot, one of the predominant animals in the mountains around us. It also is very social (i.e. links) and digs deep tunnels (looks for data). It is more or less easy to pronounce (only contains a and o as vowels and no unpronouncible combinations). The animal itself has typically a very positive association (cute) and would also provide easy branding with images and logos. What do you think? Greetings, Sebastian Am 19.11.2012 um 09:01 schrieb Sebastian Schaffert: Hi Ted, I read all your mail ( :-) ) and I am sorry that this evolved into such a discussion. For me, Linked Data is as specific as Web, Stack or Heap, and I would claim it is like this for at least the rest of the Web community and possibly the database community as well. But regardless what we think about it, fact is the label has been established and the time to criticise it would have been 7 years ago. With other people, I'd like to say. I can fully understand your position though: coming from a logics background in CS, I had similar concerns with the name Semantic Web, because nothing is really Semantic about it. From a logics point of view, it is all about symbols, the semantics would require an interpretation. I realised that opposing the term doesn't really help, though, since the world around me still continued using it. ;-) So, let's go forward with the constructive part of the discussion. We will sit together in about 1 hour and I am sure we come up with a solution (one way or the other - if it remains Linda we will have good arguments for it). And thanks again for rising the legal issue - something we will take into the discussion. Greetings, Sebastian Am 18.11.2012 um 21:55 schrieb Ted Dunning: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Paolo Castagna castagna.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 17/11/12 22:49, Ted Dunning wrote: Frankly, the phrase linked data is also so generic as to be essentially meaningless outside your community. There are many, many uses of this phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from what you guys seem to mean. Where else is the phrase linked data used with a different meaning? The problem is that the phrase is generic and can arise in general speech. Links and pointers are ubiquitous in computer parlance. Nothing in the phrase linked data constrains the meaning to *that* kind of link for *that* kind of data other than the usage in a relatively small community. What 'those guys' seem to mean is well described in the Linked Data Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Linked_datahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data Please, notice there isn't a disambiguation page. :-) That is because the phrase is only used as a proper noun for one thing. But it is used commonly as a descriptive phrase. The comparable phrase red flowers doesn't need a disambiguation link in wikipedia either because the meaning is apparent as a compositional construct. The above wiki page seems pretty short and clear to me. But the phrase itself is so vanilla that searching on the web to find the meaning (to a native speaker, anyway) seems kind of pointless. My question was not what does linked data mean? because it seemed like I could come up with ten meanings for the term. The question was which of the many possible meanings are these people talking about?. Note that a web search wouldn't answer that question because the existence of a common usage does not imply that any given community is following that common usage pattern. Is there anything in your opinion which isn't clear and should be better explained? I think that you are missing the point. The problem is that the phrase itself doesn't have any signal that there is any nominative usage going on. If I were speaking German and used the English phrase, there would be a very strong signal, but we aren't doing that. As such, I think that most mentions of linked data should include some such signal. In a proposal aimed at people outside your community, in particular, you need something along the lines the phrase linked data is used here idiosyncratically to refer to If you assume that the reader knows what kind of link you mean between what kind of data, then the documents you produce will tend to be impenetrable. Assumptions like this are common within insular communities and commonly lead to misunderstandings like this. The phrase linked data is composed by two words and the common definition of 'linked' (in particular if referred to the Web) and 'data' applies here unchanged. If you think at the Web as is big 'library' of linked
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
On 19/11/12 11:20, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Hi all, we have had a brainstorming round and came up with the suggestion Apache Marmotta as a new name. We looked a bit and the name seems not to be taken yet, so there would probably no legal issues with the name. Why Marmotta? It is Italian for marmot, one of the predominant animals in the mountains around us. It also is very social (i.e. links) and digs deep tunnels (looks for data). It is more or less easy to pronounce (only contains a and o as vowels and no unpronouncible combinations). The animal itself has typically a very positive association (cute) and would also provide easy branding with images and logos. What do you think? The helpful documentation is at: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html Greetings, Sebastian For Marmot (English spelling, added by Google as I am in the UK) found: http://www.lrz.de/services/software/parallel/marmot/ http://burlymarmot.com/ - a software company. which is a different spelling so helps differentiate. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Marmotta
On 19.11.2012 13:15, Benson Margulies wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: On 19/11/12 11:20, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Hi all, we have had a brainstorming round and came up with the suggestion Apache Marmotta as a new name. We looked a bit and the name seems not to be taken yet, so there would probably no legal issues with the name. A big +1. The small furry logo opportunities rival a certain famous elephant. And it helps (?) that it's easy to associate with gopher. You know, that internet search thing? Incidentally also a furry rodent ... -- Brane - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
