Re: [GUMP] Any James developers here?

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:27 12/2/01 +, Charles Benett wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2001-02-11/james.html Strange, it wasn't a couple of days ago. And deprecating interfaces shouldn't break a build. I think it got too many deprecation messages and busted the compiler/ant. Will have a

Re: [GUMP] Any James developers here?

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 04:08 13/2/01 +, Charles Benett wrote: Hmm. Good idea, but I can't see it working for james, yet. There aren't enough active james developers to keep up with daily changes in avalon. James runs fine with the last release of Avalon, 3.1a1. If you like I could help keep them synched?

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
How very amusing. At 11:06 10/2/01 -0800, Jim Driscoll wrote: The internet, where everyone's an expert. yes - the biggest people of course are those who wear skippy badges and loudly claim their excellence. Yes there are lots of experts. Stop assuming things without checking facts. right

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 04:06 10/2/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose a project for testing infrastructure, that covers the needs of unit testing, stress testing, performance testing, negative testing (i.e. testing of error conditions), integration testing, and error logging and reporting. Stress and

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:52 11/2/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: So, your opinion on JUnit is based on a quote on their website and a quick glance at it? Give me a break dude. This is exactly the type of mindset that I despise. People need to start to learn to work together instead of constantly re-inventing each

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:26 12/2/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: On 2/9/2001 at 8:12 AM Sam Ruby wrote: I would suggest that you start with a proposed code base. Going back over the posts, there seem to be at least five clear areas of overlap: * DataSource/Database Pool * XML Configuration +1 * Message Resources /

Re: FW: Suppose our department wants to contribute to Apache projects... ?

2001-02-15 Thread Ted Husted
Jon Stevens wrote: I don't even have an idea on how to start to answer him. Someone else wanna try? How about something like this? Many things needed to create sites like this are actively developed under the wings of Apache projects, most notably the Jakarta and XML projects. But: there

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Peter Donald wrote: I would also like to hear from the struts bean utils. I haven't looked at them but I presume they would be general enough (or could be made so) so Ant2.x could use it (ie remove converter/introspector elemenets from Ant2.0 codebase). They are -- and they have

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Tomcat 3.3 Milestone 1

2001-02-15 Thread Larry Isaacs
The first milestone release of the next version of Tomcat 3.x is available for download and testing. As a Tomcat 3.x release, it remains an implementation of the Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1 specifications. In addition to bug fixes, a large amount of refactoring has gone into Tomcat 3.3m1 since

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread David Weinrich
Ok, sorry I was a bit late on the draw here, while I doubt my programming skills are up to snuff, I would love to help out with the following in any way I can: DATASOURCE/DATABASE POOL +1 I can test the heck out of these and perhaps help with a bit of the documentation... SUBPROJECT

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Ted Husted
"Craig R. McClanahan" wrote: I haven't voted yet in this thread because I haven't seen anyone else say "let's figure out the process issues first." I guess it's not as interesting as writing code :-), but it is very much as important to a shared resource like this. My thinking on the next

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Ted Husted
David Weinrich wrote: Ok, sorry I was a bit late on the draw here Glad to have you aboard, David, especially since as near as I can figure, you're the one that started this thread! http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg00018.html (This time, at least ;-) -Ted.

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Ted Husted wrote: There are many packages which would make good candidates for the library. To find a starting set, I simply looked for packages where there was already overlap. But, if no one disagrees, let's hereby amend the POLL to include -- [Struts] Bean Introspection support -

Re: Nightly builds

2001-02-15 Thread cmanolache
Hi Sam, I (think ) I got gump to work, it's not updating/building. There are few issues/sugestions. I tried to find the alexandria list ( I assume the discussion on gump happens on alexandria ), I'm sure it is somewhere and I'll keep searching :-) Anyway - it would be possible to switch

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Sam Ruby
Ted Husted wrote: Also in the usual way, these discussions could take place on an interim list (off Jakarta) to which the proposed committers, and other interested parties, can subscribe. Why off Jakarta? Whilst this group seems to have difficulty agreeing on anything grin, perhaps a

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Sam Ruby
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Call it 'Rupert'. Be careful, that name might stick. ;-) I mean, with Tomcat 4, nothing really guarantees that you won't abandon Servlet 2.3 for the Wiggly Green Spec from Planet Mongo, but I trust that you will stick to your 'mission'... :) The are *SOME*

Re: Nightly builds

2001-02-15 Thread Sam Ruby
Copying alexandria-dev. Others can run builds with stable dependencies. They are permitted, and even encouraged to do so using Gump. The runs I have been making are to determine the impact of changes - something that I think that has not received enough attention, and so that's why I have been

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Call it 'Rupert'. Be careful, that name might stick. ;-) That would be fine - forward progress! I guess the logo would be next... :) I mean, with Tomcat 4, nothing really guarantees that you won't abandon Servlet 2.3 for the Wiggly Green

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Ted Husted
Sam Ruby wrote: Whilst this group seems to have difficulty agreeing on anything grin, perhaps a proposal to create a new list could get enough support? Heck, it might even get some +1's from people that DON'T want to be subjected to this discussion any more. ;-) Ok, based on the response

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Whilst this group seems to have difficulty agreeing on anything grin, perhaps a proposal to create a new list could get enough support? Heck, it might even get some +1's from people that DON'T want to be subjected to this discussion any more. ;-)

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Ted Husted
"Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote: You might think then that each partition could manage it's own issues, like the projects do. So given http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg00154.html are we on the same page, Geir? Basically, I just want to nest everything we do for

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
"Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Call it 'Rupert'. Be careful, that name might stick. ;-) That would be fine - forward progress! I guess the logo would be next... :) I mean, with Tomcat 4, nothing really guarantees that you won't

Re: Nightly builds

2001-02-15 Thread cmanolache
Others can run builds with stable dependencies. They are permitted, and even encouraged to do so using Gump. The runs I have been making are to determine the impact of changes - something that I think that has not received enough attention, and so that's why I have been and will continue

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Morgan Delagrange
--- "Craig R. McClanahan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote: [snip] And back to the issue, that is kinda my point : if you have a group of developers committed to producing a top quality db connection pool for general use, it's not clear that there is much one could

CVS repository problems

2001-02-15 Thread Tim O'Brien
Has anyone noticed any problems accessing the CVS repository? It has been taking 1+ hours to update "jakarta-ant". ( Choosing ant as an example ). Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Jon Stevens wrote: on 2/15/01 2:19 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turbine's pool (still) does not do this -- and that makes perfect sense, because it existed before the DataSource API was standardized. Changing Turbine's pool to conform to this would break the

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 2/15/01 3:24 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I would not recommend it ... the turbine-pool.jar file drags along ~40 classes of Turbine infrastructure that aren't useful unless you are running inside Turbine. What *exactly* is the problem with that? Of course,

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Sam Ruby
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I just don't want to work with you (and the attitudes you carry) on Turbine. Hmmm. As release manager of Tomcat 4.0, you appear quite willing to ship code that he (and the attitudes that he carries) has committed to that cvs tree. But code that the same person

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Sam Ruby
Ted Husted wrote: may we please have a interim Jakarta "libary" mailing list for the purpose of formaling the details of a proposal for this subproject. Are you sure that you want to call it that. ;-) Beyond the typo...the name of the mailing list should match the name of the subproject.

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Sam Ruby wrote: Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I just don't want to work with you (and the attitudes you carry) on Turbine. Hmmm. As release manager of Tomcat 4.0, you appear quite willing to ship code that he (and the attitudes that he carries) has committed to that cvs tree. You

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread cmanolache
Ted Husted wrote: may we please have a interim Jakarta "libary" mailing list for the purpose of formaling the details of a proposal for this subproject. Are you sure that you want to call it that. ;-) Beyond the typo...the name of the mailing list should match the name of the