Re: [Request For Comment] POI @ apache

2002-01-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi, I'm writing, at the recommendation of Stefano Mazzocchi, in hopes of drawing discussion and perhaps later a vote on the creation of a new Jakarta subproject based on the POI project (http://poi.sourceforge.net http://sourcefoge.net/projects/poi). The POI project consists of an API for

[Request For Comment] POI @ apache

2002-01-02 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sorry for the repost, I realized that I'd incorrectly labeled the post a reply (re:) and thought some folks may have not seen it because of that. A quick update, POI is the #10 project on sourceforge this morning. Hi, I'm writing, at the recommendation of Stefano Mazzocchi, in hopes of

Re: [Request For Comment] POI @ apache

2002-01-02 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
It sounds like your project is plenty successful where it is. True. However, because the vision for the project involves and would benefit both directly and indirectly several existing Apache projects, I feel it would be easier to collaborate if POI was a Jakarta project. The project will of

RE: [Request For Comment] POI @ apache

2002-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi Paulo, IMO Andrew puts the finger on why POI is only used on a server. good! One of my 2 interests (the other is indexing) on POI is exactly the typical one he describes: - I want to be able build Word and Excel documents on a Web Server without going back to use MS IIS and COM

Re: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POI @apache]

2002-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Not that I should have much of a role in this discussion but I'd like to contribute some thoughts stemming from an offline discussion I had. I think this discussion is still missing the point. There are a lot of outsider articles on what is wrong with Apache these days, most of them refer to

Re: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POI@apache]

2002-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 1/5/02 7:28 PM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not trying to be combative - I have watched this thread (and participated) with growing discomfort. I have to say that I think that bringing XML and Jakarta together might destroy the thing we are supposedly trying to 'save' (again, I

RE: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment]POI@apache]

2002-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Answer inline -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 3:53 AM ... I can not express this POV better than Linus did in posts reported by this article: http://kerneltrap.org/article.php?sid=398 Any corporation

Re: new home page

2002-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
on 1/6/02 11:33 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know you're supposed to be silent when you agree with stuff Who said that? -jon I meant rather than a bunch of me-too ing. I thought I read that somewhere once. Or maybe its because I have low oxygen to the brain right

RE: [OT] Snow

2002-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Kief Morris typed the following: Andrew C. Oliver typed the following on 06:10 PM 1/6/2002 -0500 YANKEES PLEASE READ THIS: Please come get your white stuff off of the ground and take it back up North where it belongs. We have no need for it here in the South. Yeah? Try it here

RE: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment]POI  Â @apache]

2002-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
-Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:55 PM On 1/6/02 12:58 PM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If you start at the top of the thread, I declare I am playing devils' advocate, and addressing the three

RE: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
You need a search engine for these little things maybe off the main page. With something catchy under it like High your software has already been written for you...find it here. This would ecourage useful javadoc comments as well. So if I type tree I should see all the tree classes in the

OT: northern drivers and their snow...was: Re: On unity andcoherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POIÂ @apache]

2002-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 1/6/02 9:51 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies. I'll shut up now until my brain un-freezes. :-D -Andy Sheesh. Give southerners a dusting of snow and all goes pear shaped... :) Thats right... keep that white junk up there. We're not interested

Re: OT: northern drivers and their snow...was: Re: On unityandcoherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POIÂ @apache]

2002-01-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Yeah RIGHT. Northern cars don't even HAVE blinkers! When up north I drive real slow in the just left of the right lane (avoid northern style kamikaze merges) with my hazard lights on going about 70 (which must be below the minimum speed limit). BTW the north to me starts just a little above

crushed

2002-01-07 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Guys, This whole experience has become a bit disheartening. Craig McClanahan who is like an idol of mine said this: We will continue to do what we've done in the past -- reject projects that only want the name recognition value of being under Apache, and don't have a development community

Re: crushed

2002-01-07 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Have many developers does scarab have, 10? Jakarta has around 200 committers plus ten times that many developers. At 200'000 USD per committer that's a budget of 40'000'000 Whoa dude. I am SO doing something wrong. 200,000? USD a year. I'd estimate the budget of an equivalently sized

Re: crushed

2002-01-07 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I think many folks on the list aren't listening to each other let alone to someone from the outer circle. That is my complaint about not just this list, but the entire project. We have people like Ted and Craig who are perfectly happy just sitting in their bubble sub-projects and doing

Re: crushed

2002-01-07 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I know it's hard to tell from the convoluted way this thread have gone back and forth, but the comment above was not intended to have *anything* to do with POI specifically, or the proposal to move POI to Apache. It was a response to Ceki's concern about how to keep Jakarta from being just

RE: [Off Language] Re our recent bracing war

2002-01-07 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
For my own personal brace style I have adopted the KR are right rule. I have brace tolerance though. (just like I have _variable tolerance). There is one thing I have no tolerance for though: low quality. (This is why I don't drink cheap American beer like that bad knock off of the Czech

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-08 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s, Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower. Don't you know? The less space your source code takes, the less space your class file will take. And smaller classes run faster. It must be true - 90% of people I've worked

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
snip/ :) Someone told me if you use a really small font like courier 6pt then you don't even need an optimizing compiler. Thanks to this conversation, I finally did think of a good reason to use braces on a separate line (which I detest, but that's just me) -- if +1 your manager judges

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Tim Vernum wrote: It's only two little lines extra to include the {}'s, Yeah, but those two lines will make my code run slower. Don't you know? The less space your source code takes, the less space your class file will take. And smaller classes run faster. Well, I could be

Re: Mission ...

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Personally, While I don't have strong feeling about this, and a Mission statement is what it is... I don't know that commercial-quality is a positive thing these days. Alternatively, I'd say high-quality. Its a stupid distinction I know but I've used some duds that were supposedly

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Pete, Just a question. Maybe I missed this in the discussions. Every once and a while the short license versus big license discussion goes through here. Meaning the source code for some projects whether correctly or incorrectly be convention uses a statement and short reference to the license

RE: Mission ...

2002-01-10 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Production quality sounds MUCH better to me! Have fun, Paulo Gaspar Thats good. I like that. -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java

[PROPOSAL] POI @ Jakarta

2002-01-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Proposal for POI - A Jakarta Subproject version 1.0 - 17 Jan 2002 (0) rationale The POI project seeks to provide pure Java APIs for reading, creating and manipulating files written in formats based on Microsoft OLE 2 Compound Document Format. The POI project has already successfully

[PATCH] /home/cvspublic/jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail2.xml

2002-01-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi, I'm pretty sure this is the right place to post this. Just a little nit to pick. (Worse for Marc who wondered where his posts had gone to and why it wasn't refreshing). Changed it so that archive for commons points to the current archive and yet you can still get the old. Why? Its

the .tar.gz extension

2002-01-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sorry if this has been answered, I've not run across the answer. I've noticed a couple of projects' recent binary builds are named X.tar.gz but are actually just straight tar files. Its a bit unwise IMO to name tar files .tar.gz if they're not gzipped because dimwits like me type tar xvzf on

status of the lucene dev mailing list archive

2002-01-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi all, Does anyone know the status of the lucene-dev mailing list archive? (Let me know if I'm asking in the wrong place). The archive seems to stop around 11/04/01. Any ideas? -Andy -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java

Re: [PATCH] mail2.xml - add POI project to list of archives

2002-01-26 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Thanks sam. How do I make such updates take effect? (I mean once I check them in can I make them show up too?) -Andy On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 19:49, Sam Ruby wrote: User acoliver now has karma to jakarta-site2. Enjoy! - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: committed mail.xml

2002-01-26 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Thanks, both of you :-) On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 20:20, Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: If someone with a www account can make this active, I'd appreciate it. Once that's done I can start transitioning people off of the old poi mail archive and on to the new. Done. - Sam Ruby

Re: The future of java-icalendar

2002-01-28 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 23:17, Peter Donald wrote: Hi, On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:38, Jeff Prickett wrote: I would like to name the project Periodicity. I would like to utilize the EJB architecture and support most of the major EJB containers starting with JBoss of course. I would like to

Re: Possiblly an attack, certainly a nuissance

2002-01-28 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I even got a post to my personal account... So that person has truly been doing some serious spamming. On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 05:16, Ceki Gulcu wrote: Hi, Could we please disable posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to jakarta/apache lists. This person (or an impostor) has posted

RE: Possiblly an attack, certainly a nuissance

2002-01-28 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Wow. It truly baffles me why companies continue to use Outlook despite the considerable cost of using what one Dr. Dobbs Journal (I believe) editorial called A security hole with email features -Andy On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 05:33, Stephane Bailliez wrote: -Original Message- From:

Re: The future of java-icalendar

2002-01-28 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
extends...) you should be fine as long as you don't distribute any components of the J2EE. Thats AFAIK. -Andy On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 06:49, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 1/28/02 6:37 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 23:17, Peter Donald wrote: Hi, On Mon, 21

Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Just my two cents worth. .. don't freeze your vision. Have one (we have a very general one for POI plus some very specific ones for each release), but you have to allow people to come in and say I want this by 2.0 even if its a 4.0 for you. For example we landed a very talented developer for

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
+1 On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 14:07, Scott Sanders wrote: Comments inline... -Original Message- From: Endre Stølsvik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:02 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta?? |

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
h yummy. I've GOT to check out JAMES... -Andy On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 14:11, Scott Sanders wrote: Calendar is much more apropos in JAMES IMHO. I think that JAMES could become an Exchange killer :) -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 14:54, Endre Stølsvik wrote: | As a complement to this: how is the deprecating system of | Jakarta? If a project dies, that nobody seems to update it, | the list dies or something like this, does it die away from | Jakarta too? | | What would you like to see

Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:08, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 1/29/02 11:54 AM, lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 14:22, Scott Sanders wrote: Yes. I have been thinking that Exchange needs an OSS competitor. Yes yes yes yes yes. Why would anyone want to create an OSS

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:07, Scott Sanders wrote: Innovation is necessary. But duplication is also necessary for the purpose of adoption. The only way to beat Exchange is to look like Exchange. The innovation will then help, but only after the user thinks that it *is* Exchange. + 1/2 -

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
client *choice* an integral part of it would be a nice feature. I freaking hate outlook. -Andy On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:12, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:07, Scott Sanders wrote: Innovation is necessary. But duplication is also necessary for the purpose of adoption

Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:26, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 1/29/02 12:07 PM, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Innovation is necessary. But duplication is also necessary for the purpose of adoption. The only way to beat Exchange is to look like Exchange. The innovation will then

Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:27, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 1/29/02 12:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My issue is the places I typically work if I could sell a drop in replacement for Exchange...heck yeah cause then I wouldn't be forced to use that spamming virus ridden

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:29, Scott Sanders wrote: My goal is NOT to target other developers. My goal is to target users that *HAVE* to have exchange because they: 1) *HAVE* to use Outlook. 2) *HAVE* to have real groupware capabilities (calendaring, etc.) 3) Refuse to give up Outlook for a

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
-Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta?? on 1/29/02 12:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My issue is the places

Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:44, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 1/29/02 12:29 PM, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My goal is NOT to target other developers. My goal is to target users that *HAVE* to have exchange because they: 1) *HAVE* to use Outlook. 2) *HAVE* to have real groupware

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Oh and don't forget Lotus notes. Notes seems to be somewhat of a deprecation, but had some app development features that are still used in a lot of places. Modernize these and make them more web-ish and you'd have something that would make a lot of folks very happy. 1. MIS Managers - $$$,

RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:43 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta?? Oh and don't forget Lotus notes. Notes seems to be somewhat of a deprecation, but had some app development features

Re: AW: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Dude, these are all clients. We're talking about EXCHANGE not OUTLOOK or MAILBOX. I'm using evolution right this very moment. It doesn't do what you say...its not a server AFAIK! It could connect to JAMES and hopefully USE the features...but doesn't provide them serverside. -Andy On Tue,

RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-30 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. -Andy On Wed, 2002-01-30

RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-30 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I still say we need to say This is what we want not just This is f*cked up. I think we should follow similar rules as to writing a letter of complaint (even if it has a certain Jon/Apache-like flare) -Andy On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 18:01, Scott Sanders wrote: +1. + 1! Why should Apache be

[PATCH] /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets/project.xml,v

2002-01-30 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Regarding subcategorizing the leftnav: Okay, I'm showing ya'll this cause I said I'd do it but I don't want to apply it cause I think it looks really crappy. I don't yet know enough about velocity to try creating a submenu type entity with a smaller font but I'm not so sure this could look good

Re: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
second. On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 08:27, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I would like to nominate - Jon Stevens - Sam Ruby for the upcoming PMC elections. The reason is simple: nobody else has done more for jakarta. Sure, they have diametrically different styles and attitudes, but this the

RE: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Albeit at the expense of scalability On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 09:51, Paulo Gaspar wrote: I think that the key bit is: and it is a mistake to try to program as though a remote call had the same characteristics as a local one. Your app will always be more robust if you do NOT ignore the

RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
That's awesome, I'll check that out! On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:11, Scott Sanders wrote: -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs

Re: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 04:14, James Strachan wrote: Hi Jeff I share your oppinions on EJB. Whenever I ask developers why they are using EJB the common answer I get from people is 'well I get transactions for free'. When most of the time they don't do 2 phase commit with their database

Re: [OT] J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 06:44, Paul Hammant wrote: Alex, My experience is that people either immediately decide they like AltRMI or strongly dislike it. One of my strongest critics (in commons mail list) is coming round to it after much effort :-) For many it is inline with something

RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
of the Sun/Microsoft duopoly. (Yeah, yeah, there will always be people who enjoy working on nonvirtual machines, but they're crazy :-) I'm not completely sure I followed this. I was cool up until the above line. Are you suggesting just a replacement for J2EE or Java itself. I'm fairly

RE: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:03 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful Albeit at the expense of scalability On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 09:51, Paulo Gaspar wrote: I think that the key bit

RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 08:27, Paulo Gaspar wrote: This is getting interesting and we have e lot of pieces for this kind of puzzle around Apache. Why must standards be ruled just by the BigCo's??? De facto standards happen when a product is really good. This reminds me how the then tiny

RE: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
. We keep trying to get as close to having them as possible but... Have fun, Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:19 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Those are both search engines with non-critical data update issues. You do need an example with more business-logic oriented type functionality. I could mock something like those up with Lucene just with a few routers and pushing the indicies to the mirrored systems. This doesn't answer the

RE: [ot] J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 09:19, Alef Arendsen wrote: I used to see J2EE and EJBs as the perfect solution to build scalable, maintainable webapplications. Our companies has been moving away from the webapplications business and we're completely focussing on delivering knowledge management

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
. Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Those are both search engines with non-critical data update issues. You do need an example with more business-logic oriented type functionality. I could mock something like those up with Lucene just with a few routers and pushing the indicies

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 11:07, Ted Husted wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 10:46, Ted Husted wrote: yahoo.com goes way beyond a search engine: Email, address books, auctions, classified ads, file storage, calendars and shared calendars, personalized portals

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
(too bad I'll be boycotting Yahoo soon because they use pop-up ads which I consider SOoo unprofessional) On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 11:00, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 11:07, Ted Husted wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 10:46, Ted Husted wrote

Re: PMC Nomination - Craig McClanahan

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
+1 On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 17:16, Morgan Delagrange wrote: I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC. Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ people do), so I cannot give a complete rundown of his accomplishments. I can say, however, that his

Re: Reply-To headers

2002-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Not very recently. -1 on even having this discussion: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html it's offtopic. -Andy On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 18:22, Bojan Smojver wrote: I've noticed that not all recent e-mail messages from a few Jakarta mailing lists had Reply-To header set back to the

RE: [ot] J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-02 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 19:44, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 09:19, Alef Arendsen wrote: So what's the score? DotNet is the new Microsoft initiative, and - as always - they've perfectly imitated J2EE and have had a good

Re: Jesktop migrating from Jakarta to Sourceforge

2002-02-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 09:18, Sam Ruby wrote: Paul Hammant wrote: What rules do you want changed? 1) Apache considering that GUI apps are legitimate targets for ASF attentions. 2) If jakarta is not the place, then a foundary for GUI apps/comps/tools These rules don't seem to be

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 16:58, Kevin A. Burton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry for the X-post. Then don't do it. I just created a new mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can sign up here: http://entropy.yi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/java-is-dead

Re: Jesktop migrating from Jakarta to Sourceforge

2002-02-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I thought the same of POI, but the most popular use case was claimed to be on the server... whoa, I'll shut up now less I forget which end is up again. Every microsoft server requires a GUI, for example :) And a rapid fire reset button. -- Geir Magnusson Jr.

Re: Jesktop migrating from Jakarta to Sourceforge

2002-02-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 20:12, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 2/4/02 8:00 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the same of POI, but the most popular use case was claimed to be on the server... whoa, I'll shut up now less I forget which end is up again

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN? Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java proprietary even after they promised us for *years

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta-Meeting

2002-02-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Provided the senate does not avoid the forum less they loose site of the plebs. -Andy On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 07:14, Ted Husted wrote: I wonder how people would feel about moving the actual PMC business to another list, like Jakarta-Meeting. It's obvious that we need a General list for open

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 11:24, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues. Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 14:47, Peter Donald wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN? Do you feel lied

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
snip/ Become a strategist. There will always a need for people telling people what they should do next. At least for people that does not read these lists. ;) Where do I sign? :-) I'm always happy telling people what they should do next ;-). -Andy -- www.superlinksoftware.com

please update the jakarta site

2002-02-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi All, I added POI to the jakarta site. Can someone with appropriate karma update the site on the www server. I regret having to point the links to poi.sourceforge.net. The new site is currently being hosted there. Being in limbo isn't very good for a project, been there for a few weeks

Geir Magnusson Jr.

2002-02-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi All, I added POI to the jakarta site. Can someone with appropriate karma update the site on the www server. I regret having to point the links to poi.sourceforge.net. The new site is currently being hosted there. Being in limbo isn't very good for a project, been there for a few

RE: Geir Magnusson Jr.

2002-02-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sorry Geir, You weren't actually supposed to be the subject of that message...oops. :-) -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics!

re: Andrew C. Oliver ( was Re: Geir Magnusson Jr.)

2002-02-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
No - the idea is that if your site content is in CVS, we can just make a done: module = jakarta-poi target = docs dir= build/jakarta-poi/docs (-r) subdir under jakarta, and then do a cvs checkout of your site right there. So you and the rest of the POI committers update right into your

Re: ApacheForge

2002-02-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I'm not sure I'm against this idea entirely... Just who is going to pay for it? VA has massive hardware behind Sourceforge (and its still down all the damn time). How do you do Apacheforge on far less boxen without whats left of VC money and probably an IPO? All of the other issues are little

Re: Problem installing Jarkarta-Tomcat

2002-02-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I think idiot was chosen because the person would have had to browse past the mail page with all the rules and then go to the other page. So had they taken the time to read any of the first page, then they'd have known where to post. Anyone object to me moving the general list to the bottom

jakarta-site2 sidebar

2002-02-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi all, quick proposal... does anyone object to me moving [MISC] Who we are? bla bla bal to the TOP of the sidebar and renaming it [ABOUT]? Rationale: the MISC trivializes the information and says don't read me. If community is more important than codewhy is the code above the community

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 11:01, Andrus Adamchik wrote: It is interesting that I made a similar proposal (or rather described the same idea) just yesterday on an unrelated mailing list, with the normal excuse of being too busy right now to start working in this direction (

OT: Someone better warn Sam Ruby

2002-02-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Open Source Developer Stoned for Praising .NET http://bbspot.com/News/2002/02/stoned.html -Andy -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I think its universally accepted that JSP sucks. I don't think anyone can hold an intelligent argument to the contrary (unless the typical corporate developer competency argument is used). That being said..I'm not sure this is the forum for such arguments. I'd like to invite you to the

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
There lies your problem Michael. . . Jakarta (believe it or not) doesn't want code they want communities of developers. If your interested in having a Jakarta project (and have Really thick skin and some patience;-) ) you probably will have to start it somewhere else (POI for instance started

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 10:30, Ted Husted wrote: Leo Simons wrote: 2) a statement of intent in important places on the website. I'm guessing that putting we would like to see tomcat integrate with avalon on the projects' respective websites would mean that such will happen sooner. My

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Ted Husted wrote: My concern would be that this promotes a We are Borg attitude. This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform that uses

Re: Bug in jakarta web server? (apache 2.0.32)

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 09:55, Ted Grzesik wrote: Folks, I believe the apache 2.0.32 server (i.e. the server jakarta site is using) has a bug. I thought I would report it here because of the close affiliation to the apache organization. Also, this is affecting the ability of the Jakarta

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Open Enterprise Distribution ... I'm bigger into descriptive names that mean something when they don't cause lawsuits... :-) You asked... What's in a name? -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 13:52, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I keep telling you: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ Get this guy to release it APL and then we can get up and go! :-) -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 04:28, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: James Duncan Davidson wrote: On 2/5/02 08:24, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My position:

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-24 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
You laugh... IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED!!! http://www.mail-archive.com/cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org/msg10094.html On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 15:20, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day to

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Yes! Actually Apache is funded fully by Microsoft and its all been this big farce.. We'll be close sourcing everything and handing it back to Bill! Don't worry, Soon we'll have Microsoft leadership for the whole group! -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 16:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote: Do

Re: Recasting Apache license

2002-02-25 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
We did this originally for POI and used Marc/me and the POI contributers. I just got each to agree that it could be transferred to ASF before accepting donations. (because POI was originally intended to all be part of cocoon but that is a really long boring story)... I'm not sure of all of the

Re: HUP - Heap Usage Profiler

2002-02-26 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
another similar work you might want to look at http://freshmeat.net/projects/jmp/ Of course it doesn't run on toy operating systems ;-), but collaboration is a good thing. -Andy On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 07:16, Michael Pan wrote: Hi, My name is Michael Pan and I'd like to announce about

update POI web

2002-02-28 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi All, I committed a few changes to the POI website (new committers, new high level components, etc) a week ago or so and so far these haven't rolled over to the website. Can someone with httpd access update it please? Thanks, Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com

[Fwd: Bugzilla for POI]

2002-03-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Now that the website is updated... Could Someone help us get bugzilla setup for POI? (sorry to be so demanding... :-) ) Thanks, -Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java

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