RE: Action items now or after board meeting?

2003-02-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:11 To: Noel J. Bergman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Action items now or after board meeting? Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sam, We've been discussing the jar licensing, and want to check

RE: Action items now or after board meeting?

2003-02-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If you believe that people would reasonably expect to find the license in the jar file, then I would say this complies. No, I don't. As I said, there is a copy of the license in the James CVS root. The question was whether there needed to be copies co-located elsewhere in the structure where

RE: Request to grant karma for jakarta-site2/xdocs/sitetoluehe

2003-06-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
No reason to keep this thread a secret, moving to general. Never was. I'd moved it to Community@, instead. :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Request to grant karma for jakarta-site2/xdocs/sitetoluehe

2003-06-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
No reason to keep this thread a secret, moving to general. Never was. I'd moved it to Community@, instead. :-) Ahh, so that a portion of the community is excluded from participating in the conversation... Good move ;-) Would you have preferred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Community@ spans all ASF

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
An article on The Server Side (http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=22371) started me thinking again about HiveMind today. The major issues mentioned there are the same as mentioned by Howard below: I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and vice-versa,

RE: Promotion of sub projects

2003-12-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen Colebourne wrote: The list of TLP sugestions outlined below is a good starting point. The question is whether some projects are willing to make the step to TLP. Just a reminder, but there need not be a 1:1 mapping of PMC and web domain, so there is no need to breakup the Jakarta web

RE: Promotion of sub projects

2003-12-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The latest committer Jung Yan does not (yet) appear. His CLA was recorded this morning, along with several others. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: First off, as a commiter your entitled to be proposed for membership of the PMC, which I'd be happy to do. Thanks for the offer but I don't know if I would qualify for one. The description on the website is pretty broad. Harish, as I see it, part of the problem

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Howard Lewis Ship wrote: The more I see of this discussion, the more convinced I am that the sub-projects of Jakarta should be run like mini-TLPs. We want to leverage the marketing power of the Jakarta brand, the experience of the other Jakarta developers, and some infrastructure support

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: I would have embraced that idea a year ago, but when discussed it was said to not be an option to have a hierarchy of PMCs below the Jakarta PMC of 7 members. There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation. There is absolutely nothing that says that we

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't see the distinction between a PMC member and a committer. grin You catch on quickly. :-) The difference is that a PMC member, as a normative statement, has a binding vote on the project. By allowing someone to become a Committer, you allow direct contribution to the codebase, but the

RE: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all Java Development and not in Jakarta. If we go with this approach, we end up with the continuation of: should digester be in jakarta or xml etc. Does XML take precedence over the fact it's in Java,

RE: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Costin Manolache wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation. There is absolutely nothing that says that we cannot have: [list of PMCs] All without a single change to the Jakarta domain. No one

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: If all the PMC's share the same website, who is responsible for the website as a global concept. For example, the need to do mirrors. If a Jakarta-Site PMC exists, all other PMCs [jakarta sub-project based] are accepting the Jakarta Site PMC's oversight over their

RE: TRACE level [WAS] Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Danny Angus wrote: disclaimer that was a JOKE, my wife would go seriously ballistic if I sold our kids /disclaimer Really? I'd pay to see that! ;-) Can we start a pool to see who comes closest to the apogee? --- Noel

RE: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open discussion can happen in a

RE: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Lawrence E. Rosen asked: Would someone please explain what protection committers expect from ASF? And what legal empowerment is being granted? I doubt that very many people can answer that question with any authority at all. Certainly not me. The most that I can do for you is provide a

RE: java@apache

2003-12-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Leland wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/japache/ is a list of all Java projects at Apache that I found. Am just pondering ways in which to display all of them on one site, and thought I'd share. This is good. Since there is no single right way to display

Ontology-based portals - RDF, LDAP, Xindice (was: java@apache)

2003-12-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
J.Pietschmann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: This could be interesting, Henri. If we had an formal description of a project, providing its name, resource (www, scm, wiki, etc.) locations, ontological classifications, etc., I imagine that could be useful in producing a portal. Sounds

RE: Indemnification of the PMC

2003-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen McConnell wrote: If I understand correctly, the opinions of an individual are not the same as a motion passed by the BOD. Correct. In fact, my understanding is that the role of PMC implies no rights at all - just extra responsibility. Is there anything concrete to suggest

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir, I agree with everything that you said, except one. You have the idea that when a project moves to TLP status it leaves Jakarta, and that saddens you. You said the same thing when Logging was promoted, and Ceki tried to reassure you that it wasn't going far. Although I concur that projects

RE: Indemnification of the PMC

2003-12-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Is it my mailer that's making a mess here, or is something else going on? This is the second message I've seen today that is attributed to Ted but was written by someone else (in this case me, in the previous case Stephen) The two messages from Ted Husted that

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: it's good to see projects come out of Jakarta and continue to grow, and it's sad to see them leave, like when leaving a friend after a visit. I understand. And I understand why you view Jakarta that way. Why do you not feel that Jakarta could be an active community

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Costin Manolache wrote: I see jakarta more like a union ( EU-style ), were the different projects that joined are mature entities that choose to be part of jakarta ( and can choose to get out - all that's needed is a vote ). And the PMC role is to make sure the rules are respected Project

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: you haven't seen what the EU has been up to :) Talk about over-regulation... LOL :-) OK, so it is a bad analogy. I don't believe that either Costin or I live in the EU. The PMC is supposed to be performing the active management of one or more projects, not

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: We see a couple of things differently. For one, you don't seem to believe that a community can be built by multiple collaborating PMCs. I don't believe that the Apache vs Jakarta Commons analogy applies. AFAICS, Apache Commons was an idea

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Two major options seem to be: 1) Big PMC that everyone is on, with the reality that we have interest in various areas. 2) Promote projects to TLP. 2) is not realistic. Why not? I don't agree that ALL projects should, but Henri didn't say

RE: Ontology-based portals - RDF, LDAP, Xindice (was: java@apache)

2004-01-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The next level up is a community. Noel uses the word ontology here, but even though I started using this, I don't understand what it is, so have gone with something simpler. Easy to s+r out. I've defined a community xml file: You described a portal

RE: help with installing tomcat on unix

2004-01-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
(a) check the logs for any messages (b) you might want to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] One possibility could be something else blocking that port. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

RE: Just in case you're curious

2004-01-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to discuss individual people on the public list. --- Noel

RE: Decision Needed Regarding Wiki

2004-01-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
[moving to general@ now that other issues are out of the way] Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Wiki URL is quite simple: wiki.apache.org/$WIKI/$PAGE Ug. Let me point out that this is also the scheme used for CVS

RE: [maven] developer repostory revisited

2004-01-11 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Create the directory /www/www.apache.org/repository/, this repository will contain soft links to jars and other deliverables we wish to distriute to ibilio and other repositories. How do we prevent people from using this, and make it mirrorable? As I understand it, mirroring is a requirement.

RE: [maven] developer repostory revisited

2004-01-11 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Create the directory /www/www.apache.org/repository/, this repository will contain soft links to jars and other deliverables we wish to distriute to ibilio and other repositories. How do we prevent people from using this, and make it mirrorable? As I understand it, mirroring is a requirement.

RE: [maven] developer repostory revisited

2004-01-11 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Brett Porter wrote: Does Maven support mirroring? To some extent. This could definitely be beefed up, and in future versions there'll be more work done on the concepts of different remote repositories. Regarding the Apache repository project, whatever the format, Maven will be able to

RE: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't understand why anything but the actual vote needs to be in private. There should probably be a public nomination list with reasons for hand picking (if hand picked) and a public results list If you are nominated and not elected people would know. Otherwise, there is privacy. I do

RE: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Personally, I would send in the list to the board, get it ACK'd, and then celebrate the results with a public congratulatory notice. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

RE: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Perhaps once most of the Committers are on the PMC list, we can move the administrative nonsense there again, and let the General list be the General list again :) As a side note, Roy just insisted that a vote to release a product from the Incubator be moved from the PMC list to the general@

RE: Slide 2.0 release: How to roll out the distributions

2004-01-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
See: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ReleaseManager, paying attention to all of the references from that page, especially signing and mirroring. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: How to maintain Slide bugzilla

2004-01-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I need some help as I need to do some administration on Slide's bugzilla for the upcoming Slide 2.0 release to add some components and versions. Does anyone know what to do here? Have you considered migrating Slide to Jira? We can setup the Slide committers with all of the karma necessary to

RE: [VOTE] POI 2.0 final release

2004-01-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We request to the PMC to ratify this release. [X] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Slide 2.0 release: How to roll out the distributions

2004-01-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stuff at cvs.apache.org neither seems to be mirrored nor signed in any way. Not mirrored. So, I am supposed to just put the unsigned 2.0b1 distributions of Slide into cvs.apache.org/dist/jakarta/slide/2.0-beta3? This would be easy :) Sign them. Otherwise, yes. :-) See:

RE: chairmen..

2004-02-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If its not too patronising of me I'd like to propose vote of thanks to Sam as outgoing chair Ladies and Gentlemen of Jakarta, I say ye Sam Ruby. applause --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: HiveMind software grant faxed -- received?

2004-02-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Prashant faxed the HiveMind software grant last week, but we've heard no word of it being recieved. It was recorded on 23FEB2004 as received. That would be yesterday. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: news symlinks

2004-02-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
probably getting apache to do temporary redirects from those urls You do know that /www/jakarta.apache.org/.htaccess is in CVS, right? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

RE: Proposal: Jakarta HiveMind Project

2004-03-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Howard, To be clear, this is a proposal to move HiveMind out of Commons Sandbox into Jakarta proper? Correct? Just to address some of the infrastructure questions that will come up if this is approved: HiveMind represents a generous donation of code to the ASF by WebCT (3) Identify any

RE: Proposal: Jakarta HiveMind Project

2004-03-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
(3.2) CVS repositories The package shall use a root branch of the jakarta-hivemind CVS repository. Not Subversion? Is there a pressing reason to go subversion? Well, this is a new module, and will be migrating this year anyway. Is there a reason to not use Subversion? Are we svn

RE: Proposal: Jakarta HiveMind Project

2004-03-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Whether the source is stored in SVN or CVS should be a decision up to Howard and the relevant committers on the project. Agreed. Note that I simply asked. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
[X] +1 I support this proposal [ ] -1 I don't support this proposal [ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Proposal: Jakarta HiveMind Project

2004-03-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Is arch/tla an option for Apache projects? No. CVS is what we've been using, Subversion is the intended migration path. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I have a small piece of code called Esperanto, and I´d like to make a JMS free impl of this. It already delivers Objects in broadcast over some methods, and I think it could become JMS compliant with a small effort. I know of several uses for this sort of thing, especially if small and light

RE: Now about JNDI

2004-03-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about JNDI libs? Is it been built as part of Geronimo, or is there a single project to keep it´s developement? See http://incubator.apache.org/directory/ --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: People's apache.org web pages

2004-03-11 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I didn't even know that http://www.apache.org/~coar/people.html existed. My page is deliberately terse. Pretty much its only reason for existing is the ICBM information. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point. RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache projects with gcj.

RE: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point. RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache projects with gcj. Well,

RE: Jakarta embracing the JCP?

2004-03-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Formulate new proposals to the Apache lists in a similar manner to a new JSR and write projects up in a similar format. Have named leads and ... Having named leads of any sort is the antithesis of what I would like to see within the ASF. --- Noel

RE: Are wiki pages backed up?

2004-03-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Are our wiki pages (either old UseMod or new MoinMoin) backed up regularly? Or maybe backed up somewhere like CVS? Is there something we can do if someone maliciously edits a page and removes all content? UseMod kinda, MoinMoin, I'm not sure. In the longer run, Greg is working on a

RE: status on request to add vendor

2004-03-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If there is anything else that I need to do please let me know. Ever tossed a ball into a crowd, and watched it fall because everyone expects someone else to deal with it? If nothing happens sooner, ping again in a week or so. I've got to add my own company's information, and I can add yours

RE: Struts mailing lists

2004-04-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I've been waiting for the wiki to be fully set up The problem is that nobody with the appropriate privileges seems to have any time to move over some pages from the old wiki to the new one. If all that is missing is karma, write a shell script with a list of mv commands, and put it in your

RE: Struts mailing lists

2004-04-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Anyway, it's been pointed out to me (thanks, sebb!) that the perms on the directory have changed from when I first tried this, and now I can do it myself, so I have. :-) Ah, that explains the e-mail I was about to send, saying that I had started to do the move, but noticed first that it

RE: Hibernate in Apache projects

2004-04-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to linking to LGPL code in ASL code that we host. As I understand it, we do not want to link to LGPL code directly, but can use it under another interface, e.g., we cannot import an LGPL package, but if we have an LGPL service provider for JDBC,

RE: Maven Repository Status

2004-04-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: I've been asked to mirror the Tapestry and HiveMind libraries, but haven't been able to find docs on the web about how to do so. Do you mean for Maven and similar tools, or the basic mirroring requested of all ASF projects? If the latter, it appears that Tapestry

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-05-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Yoav, no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know the answer to the project status, but I can confirm that there is no such mailing list currently existent. I don't know when it disappeared, other than the fact that it stopped archiving back in Nov 2002, but entire mailing lists structures

RE: Photoshop for the Apache Logo

2004-06-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Howard M. Lewis Ship asked: Does anyone know where the (presumably) Photoshop files are for the Apache logo (with the feather)? Look in the foundation module. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject. First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with dormant projects. Secondly, I'm

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project. Ever. Only place I favour closing projects is when they are in the incubator and 'fail', or in commons-sandbox. Depends upon what happens in the Incubator. If it does actually fail

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Yoav Shapira wrote: For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog, as I think it's a useful example for other graveyard or end-of-life scenarios. We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process. A tiny change to the Watchdog build.xml would fix [a problem],

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with oversight over any project which has public resources, whether it is active, maintenance only or unsupported end-of-life. Yes. But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave the project in the

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options: - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the Watchdog site, and indicate in our notice of

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: OK, then let me propose this: - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no active committers to nominate us. +1 +1 Let's just go ahead and do this. :-) Yoav's comment gets back to my ealier point. A PMC should

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tim O'Brien wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with dormant projects. You've been

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We agree that burying a project is less than helpful. It is the invite people to be active part that interests me. I'm not saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is polite to our users to give people a sense of activity. Well, if we focus on the word COMMUNITY

RE: [site] .htaccess file has been modified outside cvs

2004-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
the .htaccess file for the jakarta site has been modified directly but is maintained in CVS. unless anyone knows a good reason not to, i'll update the copy in CVS with the changes. If the changes look right, please do. Not everyone who can make changes knows that they are supposed to effect

RE: Wiki, newsletters, PMC-chair

2004-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
As the wiki-update emails don't seem to get through to this list No one ever added the address to the allow list, so they are all pending in the moderator queue. And the sole moderator is rather busy right now. So if the PMC would like to provide some additional moderators besides Geir ... :-)

RE: Wiki, newsletters, PMC-chair

2004-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: Please add me for both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Done. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Is Jira and Eyebrowse down?

2004-07-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
It appear Jira and Eyebrowse are down. Fixed. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: IMO signatures are more important (than md5 sums) for the ASF and less important for users. md5 sums are quick and easy to understand. If we were ever hacked, MD5 sums could be replaced without detection. That cannot be done with PGP keys, and we have had people

RE: Where is Cloudscape?

2004-08-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I'd suggest subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [until] the project has its own mailing lists. It already does. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send the normal subscribe request. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: Updating the PMC bylaws

2004-08-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Interestingly, the ASF bylaws seem to imply that PMCs are only for members and officers of the ASF. I may be mis-interpreting: Project Management Committees consisting of at least one officer of the corporation, who shall be designated chairman of such committee, and may include one or more

RE: Where is Cloudscape?

2004-08-07 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Brian McCallister wrote: I would strongly recommend checking out Axion they promised users a 1.0 release in [the tigris] namespace I hadn't heard that until recently. Is that what accounts for the delay between the Incubator being informed on October 16th that DB PMC had voted to sponsor

RE: Who is moderating Jakarta Turbine JCS mailing lists?

2004-08-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Done. --- Noel -Original Message- From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:44 To: Christian Geisert Cc: Jakarta General Mailinglist; Apache Infrastructure Subject: Re: Who is moderating Jakarta Turbine JCS mailing lists? Hi,

FW: help me !!!

2004-08-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
-Original Message- From: Swamy, Narayana SS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help me !!! Hi there, I would to member of apache jakarta subscribe commity , give me that url of corresponding page ?. help me Thanx

RE: SVN of ECS Re: [Jakarta Wiki] Updated: JakartaBoardReport-September2004

2004-09-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Daniel F. Savarese wrote: If someone with appropriate access wants to do the load feel free. Done. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects

2004-10-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Christian Anton wrote: Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure for any other product?? Jakarta isn't a product. Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange components at varying stages of development and interoperability and documentation?? Because that is

Sun wants Apache input on JDK futures

2004-10-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sun is the final stages of collecting requirements for the releases that will follow Tiger, which means the next 3 years. So here's your chance to tell Sun what you would like to see in J2SE versions 6 and 7. Once we gather all of the ideas, we can try to see if we can prioritize the list. I

RE: Sun wants Apache input on JDK futures

2004-10-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I have created a wiki page to collect the information. It would have helped if I remembered to paste the link ... http://wiki.apache.org/general/JavaFutures --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail

RE: Sun wants Apache input on JDK futures

2004-10-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
matthew.hawthorne wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: I have created a wiki page to collect the information. Please DO NOT reply to this message. Instead, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (so that we have one open list) to discuss your ideas. So, are you saying that instead of replying

RE: Deciding on Java futures?

2004-10-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen Colebourne wrote: How are we deciding on the Java Futures? Are we voting? Just talking? Funny you should ask ... :-) First, the ideas can be discussed on the mailing list, but we should collect them on the Wiki. Second, we should try to prioritize them. Third, I have some feedback

RE: Deciding on Java futures?

2004-10-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
How can we find out whats already planned by Sun. I asked that exact question, and was told that they don't want to bias our input by telling us what is already on the plan. FWIW, I know that some of the things are already on some plans there. There is a big meeting on Monday to address

Prioritizing

2004-10-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
There has been a lot of good discussions. Now we need to prioritize the list. I have, as a strawman, started a prioritized list at the top of the page. I put Continutations at the top, since it had the most votes, and added a few others. Obviously, I'm not going to add everyone's item. Add

RE: Exception handling Was: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-11-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
try { } catch( (JMSException | RemoteException | SQLException) e) { } try { ... } catch (Exception e) { ... } Usually you don't want to just catch all exceptions in a single block. Instead you want to have clusters of exceptions And what is the common

RE: SVN server down?

2004-11-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Shinobu Kawai and others asked: Is the SVN server down? Yes. Currently doing some maintenance on the database. About another hour, I would estimate from the processing rate, so between 14:00 and 14:30 EST or so. Sorry for the inconvenience. Wasn't what I expected to be doing this morning,

RE: http://cvs.apache.org down?

2004-11-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Could not access http://cvs.apache.org (e.g. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-commons/transaction/ ) for quite a while, anyone any idea what the problem is? Yes. I took that httpd instance down because it was conflicting at the time with SVN database maintanence. I haven't brought it

RE: Jakarta Support provider

2004-12-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't know how much vetting we do, but despite the fact that this is a vendor page, I believe that a lot of people would complain about the phrase [Covalent is] the only source of full commercial support for Apache Tomcat. Now that the ASF has established the PRC, perhaps it is time we turned

RE: [vote] moving jakarta-site2 to subversion

2004-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
72 hours for this vote - classify this as a public release vote requires majority (at least 3 +1s and more +1s than -1s ) I'm personally +1, but if any Jakarta project presents a reason why creates a problem for them at the moment, I would consider that binding until we can resolve the issue.

RE: Converting Jakarta site and site2 to SVN

2004-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I think we shoul add it to a list of ones to archive somehow. Jsev, alexandria etc. We could import them and move them to an archives/ subtree, kind of like a branch, or just delete them. --- Noel - To unsubscribe,

RE: Dormancy worries

2004-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I share your concerns. The general question is what to do with such projects, and I think we should be open to creative ideas. There has been some suggestion that they be cleaned up by migrating them to some other domain to be mothballed. The code, web site, and mailing list archives would be

RE: Migration to Ajax from Nagoya (fwd)

2004-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Scarab is used by Turbine, DB Torque and a couple of other sub projects. I'll look at doing the migration, but it would be nice if we had someone who was willing to maintain scarab. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html We might consider changing some of the wording if you are going to refer to projects growing up and leaving. We could refer to Jakarta as a federation of projects, some of which are under the oversight of the Jakarta PMC, and some of

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such afaik) Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide basis. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed. As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed. --- Noel - To unsubscribe,

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