Re: What is Avalon?

2001-02-01 Thread Peter Donald
At 10:33 1/2/01 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: Peter Donald wrote: I have another theory ;) Reuse occurs vertically not horizontally. For instance Cocoon reuses a lot of Avalon code and when a bit of code reaches a certain "generality" threshold in C2 it is bubbled back into Avalon (ie

Re: Listing your e-mail address

2001-02-02 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:22 2/2/01 +0100, Ceki Glc wrote: Hello, Daniel Savarese suggested that e-mail addresses on the "Who we are" page should not be listed directly as a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a but as "foo at bar.com". good idea. Oh and just in case no one saids it - You rock.

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-02 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:41 2/2/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: When considering the merits of a product, it is important to consider the human factor of both our users and developers. It's no secret the teams working on competiting solutions often "hate each other". Maybe that's a good thing. It may not be as

Re: Back to Avalon...

2001-02-02 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:10 2/2/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: Ok, I'm seeing other people discuss this without any sort of final decision here, so I think we need to get back on topic. So far, top level package names are expressly reserved for top level projects. Well not every one seems to obey it. Examples

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-06 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:54 6/2/01 -0800, James Duncan Davidson wrote: On 2/2/01 12:56 PM, "Peter Donald" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider the case of select() style functionality - why has not that been added. It's not because it isn't portable, nor is it because it is technically hard or a design

Re: Back to Avalon...

2001-02-06 Thread Peter Donald
hi, At 02:06 2/2/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: Then you should be suggesting another top level project be created instead of creating a pseudo project that is half within Avalon and half within the top level namespace. Just like there is for Jetspeed. No one else commented on this from PMC so

Re: [GUMP] Any James developers here?

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:27 12/2/01 +, Charles Benett wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2001-02-11/james.html Strange, it wasn't a couple of days ago. And deprecating interfaces shouldn't break a build. I think it got too many deprecation messages and busted the compiler/ant. Will have a

Re: [GUMP] Any James developers here?

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 04:08 13/2/01 +, Charles Benett wrote: Hmm. Good idea, but I can't see it working for james, yet. There aren't enough active james developers to keep up with daily changes in avalon. James runs fine with the last release of Avalon, 3.1a1. If you like I could help keep them synched?

Re: What is Struts? (was: Re: What is Avalon?)

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
How very amusing. At 11:06 10/2/01 -0800, Jim Driscoll wrote: The internet, where everyone's an expert. yes - the biggest people of course are those who wear skippy badges and loudly claim their excellence. Yes there are lots of experts. Stop assuming things without checking facts. right

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 04:06 10/2/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose a project for testing infrastructure, that covers the needs of unit testing, stress testing, performance testing, negative testing (i.e. testing of error conditions), integration testing, and error logging and reporting. Stress and

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:52 11/2/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: So, your opinion on JUnit is based on a quote on their website and a quick glance at it? Give me a break dude. This is exactly the type of mindset that I despise. People need to start to learn to work together instead of constantly re-inventing each

Re: [POLL] Re: Code Sharing Concepts

2001-02-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:26 12/2/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: On 2/9/2001 at 8:12 AM Sam Ruby wrote: I would suggest that you start with a proposed code base. Going back over the posts, there seem to be at least five clear areas of overlap: * DataSource/Database Pool * XML Configuration +1 * Message Resources /

Re: Q: is there a Streaming-Server (RTSP,RTP) as a sibbling project to Apache and Tomcat?

2001-02-19 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:20 19/2/01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, is there a Streaming-Server (RTSP,RTP) as a sibbling project to Apache and Tomcat? If not, it could be a good idea ;) If you have an itch then scratch it ;) Cheers, Pete *-* | "Faced

Re: What's up with Avalon?

2001-02-20 Thread Peter Donald
At 08:29 20/2/01 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: Pier P. Fumagalli wrote: (going round and round and round...) Yeah, and it seems not enough... What are the other two modules that suddently appeared on the CVS? jakarta-avalon-logkit and jakarta-avalon-testlet They also have wrong

Re: What's up with Avalon?

2001-02-20 Thread Peter Donald
At 08:40 20/2/01 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: D:\jakartabuild jakarta-avalon-logkit Buildfile: build.xml compile: [mkdir] Created dir: D:\jakarta\jakarta-avalon-logkit\build [mkdir] Created dir: D:\jakarta\jakarta-avalon-logkit\build\classes BUILD FAILED

Re: Avalon mailing list...

2001-02-20 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:38 20/2/01 -0800, Pier P. Fumagalli wrote: The Avalon mailing list is currently [EMAIL PROTECTED], but the current CVS status says that it's a Jakarta project (jakarta-avalon*)... Wouldn't it be wise to change it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? oops - I just sent out the wrong address. Theres

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-22 Thread Peter Donald
At 05:14 22/2/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: No offense Kevin, but that is a really bad argument to state in this camp. :-) The simple reason being that people in the GPL camp CAN use and distribute our software without any real restrictions. Nope they can't ;) APL is not BSDL and in fact GNU

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-22 Thread Peter Donald
At 02:32 23/2/01 +0100, Ceki Glc wrote: Absolutely agree. However, a good portion of the world does not. We should strive to accommodate both camps. Could anyone explain what dual GPL/APL licensing really means? Thanks in advance, Ceki In terms of Apache it means the value of the Apache name is

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-23 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:54 23/2/01 +0100, Ceki Glc wrote: Sure. A license to be worth the electrons it's written on must be enforceable. Who is going to do the enforcing? In the GPL/APL case there are two bodies involved, the FSF and the ASF. Say product X is dual GPL/APLed but it breaches both the GPL terms and

Re: [GUMP] Build Failure - Framework

2001-02-24 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, A thought - someone (was it you???) was talking about having a flat permissions to access CVS across jakarta. ie if you have permission for project foo then you also have permission for project bar. This was meant to encourage the breakdown of inter-project boundaries etc. You would still

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-27 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:10 28/2/01 +1100, Peter Donald wrote: At 07:50 27/2/01 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: GNUs stance is never to compromise which means that the only way for APL to fit in is to remove advertising/name clauses which is unfortunately where one of Apaches strengths are I suspect that that clause

Re: Test Infrastructure Project Proposal

2001-02-27 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:26 27/2/01 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: I suspect that that clause is not the core issue. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2000-August/msg00207.html I suspect intention and reality are different. You need to read Brian's words carefully. There is an asymmetry here which may not

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:21 7/3/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: Peter Donald wrote: I will say it again - though no one really seems to listen. No one's asking you to do anything you don't want to do, Peter. If you are not comfortable working on a Commons package, then you should not work on a Commons package. I

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 02:53 7/3/01 -0600, Tim O'Brien wrote: Avalon is not a commons package, it is a "common framework for server applications". Why does the framework need to contain code to accomplish specific tasks? The perception that it is solely a framework is wrong. Frameworks by themselves are useless

Re: [PROPOSAL] The Commons

2001-03-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:40 10/3/01 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I have to side a little with Peter Donald on this, if you are serious about achieving this goal, then it is better to work with an existing project that is attempting to achieve some of the same goals. I would agree 100%, because

Re: PMC meeting agenda

2001-03-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:50 10/3/01 -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote: Finally, we need a preferred day. Board meetings are the third Wednesday of every month. I'd like to pick a schedule that allows status to be fed into the board in a convenient manner. I'd also suggest avoiding Fridays as those times are

Re: Jakarta PMC election results

2001-03-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 02:44 8/3/01 -0800, Morgan Delagrange wrote: So if you cross-reference this list against Jakarta subprojects, you get the following subproject representation: Ant 2 Avalon 1 ECS 1 James 0 I work closely with the James people and I hope I could help them bring any

Re: PMC meeting agenda

2001-03-13 Thread Peter Donald
At 06:36 13/3/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: It's been my experience that a recurring deadline for a status report can serve the same purpose of a synchronous meeting, without the constraint of real-time scheduling. Thats only the case if the purpose of the meeting is something that can be solved

Re: JCP Survey

2001-03-13 Thread Peter Donald
At 08:08 13/3/01 +0100, Alex Fernndez wrote: My gosh! I can't believe it, the survey is in ASP! I noticed that. Is it a joke? not sure - it was posted on a major newsite (theserverside.com) but it is supplied by a different provider than Sun. However the questions seemed legit so ... Cheers,

Re: Voting processes (was: PMC meeting agenda)

2001-03-13 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:00 12/3/01 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: The ASF board is completely re-elected on an annual basis. Members nominate/Members vote. This is probably the system I most lean towards, me too ;) but it does have one problem: while it may elect the "wisest" people, it does not guarantee that the

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/docs/site dirlayout.html

2001-03-13 Thread Peter Donald
At 06:56 13/3/01 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tdsrc//td tdSource code./td tdIf the source code contains only code in the Java language, then the contents of the src/ directory should mirror the package hierarchy. Otherwise, if the code contains a mix of languages, then an

Re: Directory layout feedback

2001-03-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 03:10 15/3/01 +0100, Ceki Glc wrote: For Ant, I made a separate directory for the webpages (webpage). I had to do this anyway since there was already an index.html file in the Ant docs directory, although I have subsequently moved that. As Jon pointed out earlier, I do not see the advantage

Re: Directory layout feedback

2001-03-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 04:17 15/3/01 +0100, Ceki Glc wrote: A lot of projects use dist/, in my personal projects I use out/ while some projects use bin/. See, these names are like colors, blue, green, or yellow... At face value, they are all equivalent. That's what I meant by sticking to a name. It goes without

Re: session question

2001-03-15 Thread Peter Donald
This is not the list for that question - try tomcat-users Cheers, Pete *-* | "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof." |

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Notes

2001-03-19 Thread Peter Donald
Hey, Just as a clarification. My -1 for commons was not really due to duplicity (I actually think duplicity is good). I wanted to avoid saying this ... but I think it is going to fail ;) It has already made many of the same mistakes that Avalon made except for one (but as soon as you hear people

RE: New Subprojects

2001-03-22 Thread Peter Donald
At 06:09 22/3/01 -0700, James House wrote: Thanks for the pointer. How do I get a "PMC" to recommend the project? they are all subscribed to this list (or should be) and the names of PMC members are on the whoweare page. As far as #2 goes (a guarantee of success) - my employer is offering to

RE: New Subprojects

2001-03-22 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:26 23/3/01 +1100, Peter Donald wrote: At 06:09 22/3/01 -0700, James House wrote: Thanks for the pointer. How do I get a "PMC" to recommend the project? they are all subscribed to this list (or should be) and the names of PMC members are on the whoweare page. Hmmm I forgot t

Re: New Subprojects

2001-03-22 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:03 22/3/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: on 3/22/01 2:15 PM, "James House" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Project 1: an Enterprise Job Scheduler = Both Avalon and Turbine offer this. Project 2: a Workflow Engine / Process Automator

Re: New Subprojects

2001-03-22 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:20 22/3/01 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Peter Donald wrote: Jon Stevens : For #2: It certainly could start in the Commons. No it couldn't from what I understand. Commons won't allow imports directly from turbine/avalon and to try to do such a complex system generic from start

RE: New Subprojects

2001-03-22 Thread Peter Donald
At 10:06 22/3/01 -0700, James House wrote: Project 1: an Enterprise Job Scheduler = For #1: Taking the best parts from Avalon and Turbine and merging them into a Commons would be good. I have not looked far into the Schedulers in Avalon or Turbine - but I

RE: New Subprojects

2001-03-23 Thread Peter Donald
At 07:52 23/3/01 -0800, James House wrote: There are some very fine lines to walk when trying to build code that is re-usable, and also clean and straight forward, and also tries to re-use some code itself. For instance, I immediately cringe at thinking the job scheduler should be dependent on

Re: Session Variables.

2001-03-25 Thread Peter Donald
Please direct this question to the appropriate place (tomcat-users???) not to general mailing list. Cheers, Pete *-* | "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone

Re: [PROPOSAL] J2EEUnit donation to ASF

2001-03-28 Thread Peter Donald
At 08:32 27/3/01 -0800, Kevin A. Burton wrote: I am not making an official statement... I think that we are on the slippery slope towards Apache becoming a "dumping ground" (don't take offense to this phrase, I couldn't come up with a better one). I think we have already got on the slope and

Re: Binaries in CVS

2001-04-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:57 13/4/01 +0200, Ceki Glc wrote: Gump does that by overriding properties (same as a build.properties file does in the proposed approach). Build.properties in the proposed approach? Doesn't compute. the library project uses build.properties where the rest of the world uses

Re: Binaries in CVS

2001-04-12 Thread Peter Donald
Binaries in CVS suck, not having binaries in CVS sucks more. Instead of complaining about them why don't implement CJAN - much more effective than pissing in the wind. After that it will be bai bai binaries. Cheers, Pete *-* | "Faced with

Re: Binaries in CVS

2001-04-12 Thread Peter Donald
or MFC versions). Gump doesn't solve these problems. Peter Donald has outsmarted it. I haven't outsmarted it. I solved the problem that was presented. You have failed to pose any other problem that would make me adjust my position - I want low cost of entry. Have a look at all the projects under

Re: Binaries in CVS

2001-04-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 06:44 12/4/01 -0700, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Gump doesn't solve these problems. Peter Donald has outsmarted it. I haven't outsmarted it. I solved the problem that was presented. You have failed to pose any other problem that would make me adjust my position - I want low cost

Re: Binaries in CVS

2001-04-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 09:45 12/4/01 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: Peter Donald wrote: Welcome to opensource! Standards are not done here - we can implement them but we don't build them - for those please go elsewhere (IETF/W3C/JCP/Other). One of the advantages of opensource is people are free to adapt them

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta-Turbine-Jyve

2001-05-04 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:03 4/5/01 -0700, Jon Stevens wrote: Hey all, Martin Poeschl has done the work to bring Jyve up to the latest Turbine specifications and developments (using Turbine+Velocity). Thanks Martin! A temporary demo is here: http://www.marmot.at:8080/jyve/servlet/jyve excellente !!!

Re: Javaworld Awards

2001-05-05 Thread Peter Donald
At 01:31 5/5/01 +0200, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Greetings, Here are some pretty good news: http://www.javaworld.com/jw-05-2001/jw-0504-finalists.html well done ! Cheers, Pete *-* | Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and

Re: Proposed dirlayout document

2001-05-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 05:23 7/5/01 +0100, Vincent Massol wrote: An expansion on Peter's comments. What should be recommended is the ability to (1) control the actual jars used via Ant properties, and (2) be able to easily specify these properties using Ant properties files which can be found in the current

Re: Proposed dirlayout document

2001-05-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 06:09 7/5/01 +0200, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Unfortunately half projects use build for (1) and half use it for (2). My recomendation would be to invent a new name for (1) that conflicts with no existing project - perhaps intermediate. For (2) I recomend tools as that makes it very clear what is

Re: Proposed dirlayout document

2001-05-08 Thread Peter Donald
At 08:30 8/5/01 +0200, Ceki Gülcü wrote: IMHO, the intermediate build directory can and should be avoided. Instead of selectively copying from the intermediate build/ directory to dist/, one can generate directly to dist/ and use tar/zip selectively to create the distribution. The latter

Re: [proposal] Jakarta Deprecation Policy

2001-05-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 03:38 15/5/01 -0700, Jon Stevens wrote: Well, there haven't been many flame wars around here recently, so let me start one. I seem to be good at that. :-) What I propose is that we take this document (or one similar to it) and migrate it up to the overall Jakarta Project instead of just

Re: FW: Velocity and Avalon

2001-05-21 Thread Peter Donald
Here is a prime example of someone using an alpha product whichs explicitly stated the developer team is not investing _any_ effort in providing back compatibility between alpha releases. And when it changes they are ... what ... shocked? If they are, then they shows a decided lack of

Re: Velocity and Avalon

2001-05-21 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:21 AM 5/21/01 -0700, Jon Stevens wrote: on 5/20/01 11:34 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a prime example of someone using an alpha product whichs explicitly stated the developer team is not investing _any_ effort in providing back compatibility between alpha releases

RE: Gump is resuming...

2001-06-01 Thread Peter Donald
At 02:01 PM 6/1/01 -0400, Terry Westley wrote: From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/ This is very interesting. Where can I learn more about the jakarta build process? I'm manager of a software development group. We use Clearcase and

Re: (Review ID: 125649) JDK1.4 additions to java.sql.Connection causes compatibility problems

2001-06-03 Thread Peter Donald
At 10:48 AM 6/4/01 +1000, Geoff Soutter wrote: However, what can they do? Presumably JDBC needs to change over time, and this means that those who attempt to implement the interfaces must update their stuff to be compatibile. Leaving JDBC set in stone for ever doesn't seem like a viable option.

Re: [Lucene-dev] jakarta (fwd)

2001-06-05 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:36 AM 6/5/01 -0700, Jon Stevens wrote: Is the rest of the PMC interested in seeing this happen? (I am and will be the PMC sponsor). Lucene is a Java based search engine. Current license is LGPL, but Doug is willing to switch things over to us. It has a developer community and a user base

Re: The Lie

2001-06-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 10:03 AM 6/7/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote: Alex Fernández wrote: I read 12 fallacies and flaws in 5 sentences: 06- in the public domain was the term used 20 years ago for open source. Not useful any more. Not entirely accurate. Public Domain is a copyright law term referring to

Re: The Lie

2001-06-07 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:28 PM 6/7/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote: This will be my last post on the subject, but this is also a misnomer. Public Domain works are open to all without license or warranty. They cannot have any license or warranty due to the nature of public domain as a whole. If you use public

Re: JSR47 Critique

2001-06-13 Thread Peter Donald
At 11:49 AM 6/13/01 +0200, Ceki Gülcü wrote: So Parents vs Children has nothing to do with Configutation order matters feature. I suspect parent access was blocked as it is a security risk and a violation of patterns used in existing server products (which do not condone *breaking out of the

Re: JSR47 Critique

2001-06-12 Thread Peter Donald
At 01:37 AM 6/13/01 +0200, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Greetings, Here is a written critique of JSR47, the logging API shipped with JDK 1.4: http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html If you agree with its contents, then you are encouraged to send a personalized request to I read the

Re: Open-Source Documentation and Copyright

2001-07-11 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, IANAL so take this with a grain of salt... On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:14, Alex Chaffee wrote: Assuming that the documentation is organized as a series of files, where each file has a primary author (Alice) who is explicitly named at the time of the file's creation... I'd like to list a few

New CVS Host fingerprint?

2001-07-15 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, Can someone confirm that our new CVS host (yay!) has the following characteristerics ;) DSA key fingerprint is 79:7c:cb:6a:44:47:b2:ef:5c:66:28:d7:40:0d:b1:f9. cvs.apache.org,64.208.42.42 Cheers, Pete *-* | Faced with the choice

Another Critique of Logging JSR

2001-07-22 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, I thought this may be interesting to some. http://www.swzoo.org/documents/miscellaneous/jsr047/ Cheers, Pete *-* | Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone

Re: Scope

2001-07-29 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:44, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: I'm a loss to understand the problem. People assert that projects are out of scope yet also assert how much they like them. Is it not better to generate good code that lots of people use than to nitpick about staying in scope? If

Re: Bzip2 Distributions

2001-08-02 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:41, David W. wrote: I think it would be a friendly thing for low-bandwidth people to have binaries distributed in .tar.bz2 archives in addition to .tar.gz and .zip That would mean we need a bzip ant task - wanna submit one ? ;) The only other issue is bandwidth. We were

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-08 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, It is basically yet another attempt to bring around interoperability much like all the various distributed object/rpc protocols (DCOM, IIOP etc). However the claim is that this time it will work because messages are plain text and that you use HTTP which is generally not firewalled off.

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 03:48, Allen Levin wrote: Gentlemen and Gentlewomen, I know that this is not the place but... Based on the last two discussions, you aren't afraid of expressing you opinions. And, you are quite experienced with open source, so please excuse the question but this seems

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29, Geoff Soutter wrote: Another key difference is the emphasis on ubiquity. Yes, seems to me this one of the main difference (apart from the marketing aspects). This comes from using a public, free network rather than private, fee based network to transmit the

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:29, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Kevin A. Burton wrote: - - No more competition from .NET/C#. (why would anyone want to support an MS proprietary language?) s/MS proprietary language/draft ECMA standard language/. ECMA also has a fast path to

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:36, Ted Husted wrote: Not even Jakarta lets just anyone commit a patch. I doubt that Linus does either. OS has gatekeepers just the same as CS -- we just wear our code on our sleeves ;-) But it is quite possible for the original developers of a project to loose control

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:53, Alex Fernández wrote: It truly is a convenience. If a user is buying a PC with JRE preinstalled, they will use it--or explore using programs that use it. It opens up a lot of potential clients for our OSS projects. Let's face it, we chose to build a lot of

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:38, Sam Ruby wrote: Peter Donald wrote: I am not familiar enough with it but I was under the impression that it is just the language and an absolute minimum of the runtime that is standardized. It would be the equivelent of stripping 95% out of java class libraries

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-14 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:41, Kevin A. Burton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:53, Alex Fernández wrote: It truly is a convenience. If a user is buying a PC with JRE preinstalled, they will use

Viewcvs MIA

2001-08-15 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, Subject saids it all - else checkout http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/ -- Cheers, Pete *-* * Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, * * and proving that there is no need to do so - almost * * everyone gets busy on the

Re: Viewcvs MIA

2001-08-16 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:32, Pier P. Fumagalli wrote: Peter Donald at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Subject saids it all - else checkout http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/ Errr... What's MIA? :) Not sure ... Missing In Action I think ? -- Cheers, Pete

Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval

2001-09-06 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:44, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Things I also noticed: - cactus-user I don't know what this is all about... There is no archive, cactus is related to the commons project, so, it should be really a commons-user@jakarta... I think when it was initially voted on it was to be

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tomcat 4.0 Release Candidate 1 Available

2001-09-10 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, Just curious but we have an announcement list for announcements. Is there any reason to CC this list aswell?? On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:31, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: The first Release Candidate for Tomcat 4.0 is now available. Only serious problems will be fixed between now and final

Re: Need to add Jetspeed release and nightly to binindex

2001-09-21 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:45, Paul Spencer wrote: I would like to add the release and nightly builds of Jetspeed to http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.html. How should I accomplish this task? * Checkout jakarta-site * modify xml appropriate document (site/binindex.xml) * run anakia to

Re: Need to add Jetspeed release and nightly to binindex

2001-09-23 Thread Peter Donald
Applied and web updated. On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:20, Paul Spencer wrote: Pete, As it turns out I do not have permission. Attached are the diffs. Paul Spencer Peter Donald wrote: On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:45, Paul Spencer wrote: I would like to add the release and nightly builds

Re: Web logs statistics

2001-09-27 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:55, Vincent Massol wrote: Statistics : Is it possible to set up a statistics tool for all jakarta projects (and even others) so that each project does not have to do its own statistics. For example, I had to install webalizer in my jakarta account to create Cactus

Re: BCEL @ apache

2001-10-01 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:50, Sam Ruby wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: Many months ago I asked Markus Dahm whether or not he would be interested in BCEL (Byte Code Engineering tool) being a Jakarta project as I was using and thought it a very cool package, and I believe Xalan uses it for their

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Project Creation Guidelines

2001-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:48, Sam Ruby wrote: Jon Stevens wrote: Sam, I have integrated the changes that you suggested, please take a look. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html +1 on the proposal +1 from me too though I guess I would prefer a less agresive tone ;) -

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:56, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Tim Vernum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know that JBoss would have worked within Jakarta? Simply, it wouldn't have... We would have been stuck in a very long flamewar forever :) That's why Jboss is not @ Jakarta... Oh good - so it

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:09, Endre Stølsvik wrote: | Me and Stefano were against since we didn't like Mark Fleury... Before | JBoss moved over to SourceForge (before SourceForge even existed) Jon | was hosting all their CVS and mailing lists... I'm just thinking that Jakarta having a

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:52, Sam Ruby wrote: Endre Stlsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a nice, open structure, always glad and happy for new thoughts, ideas and ways of doing things. Do I detect a bit of sarcasm in there? Speaking as a relative newcomer (the entire JBoss

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, had a browse through all the documentation and it seems like an interesting and useful product. There is parts where it clearly overlaps existing products at Apache but there is other parts that look good. They have a BuisnessObjects layer which is similar in role to torque (from

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Project Creation Guidelines

2001-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:53, Daniel Rall wrote: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know, but reading it without the full introduction to the quote makes it appear as we're talking about M$-ASP, and makes us look bad (not that I care much about M$ anyway, but...). Another option is

Re: ImportScrubberTask

2001-10-21 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:20, Jon Stevens wrote: http://importscrubber.sourceforge.net/ant.html org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.importscrubber.ImportScrubberTask Given that this isn't an official Jakarta project, shouldn't the tool choose another namespace? probably - but that project

Re: [Vote] BCEL @ Jakarta

2001-10-22 Thread Peter Donald
+1 -- Cheers, Pete *---* PROGRAM: n. a magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. v.t. to engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer

Re: Distributing the JSSE

2001-10-25 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:45, Jon Stevens wrote: Catalina does not distribute the JSSE (from the catalina/build.xml): target name=copy-jsse.jar if=copy.jsse.jar !-- Cannot redistribute JSSE copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jcert.jar}/ copy

Re: Integration

2001-11-02 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 05:16, Frans Thamura wrote: Dear All, I see there is a lot of API in Apache... Jakarta and XML who resposible for integration, or is there a project for integrating of it.. integration in what way? I think we need that. esp, the documentation.. I don't think I follow.

Re: Distributing the JSSE

2001-11-02 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 01:30, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Sofar no one answered this mail... Does US crytopgraphy export restrictions apply to both version of JSSE, or only to domestic version ? And do these restictions apply everywhere, or only for US-based download location ? the restrictions apply

Re: Problem to Start Tomcat 3.2.3

2001-11-15 Thread Peter Donald
Please take this discussion to tomcat-users this is not the correct forum for it. -- Cheers, Pete - Sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt.

Re: BOX: Business-Oriented XML

2001-11-16 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, You should read http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html Essentially your project needs to have a community of developers already associated with it and ideally it should have a PMC member who is willing to champion the project. While projects can flourish under jakarta it is

Bugzilla permissions?

2001-11-17 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, How do I go about getting permissions for Bugzilla stuff. ie I need to mess with some version labels in Bugzilla for the Avalon project. Looks like it would have been Piers job .. maybe I should email the other admin for nagoya (Justyna???) - if so anyone got an email handy ? -- Cheers,

Re: Business-Oriented XML

2001-11-17 Thread Peter Donald
On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:07, Dave Jarvis wrote: More database neutral? Moreso than Turbine. As neutral as the others, yet BOX seems easier to configure and maintain. errr is it just me or is this completly and utterly wrong. BOX completely punts on database neutrality and just prays

Re: Business-Oriented XML

2001-11-17 Thread Peter Donald
On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:03, Dave Jarvis wrote: Hello, Pete. punts on database neutrality and just prays that the SQL between databases is identical. And of course everyone who has worked with SQL knows that this is far from being true. You got me on this one. If you write SQL using

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