PMC Nomination

2003-02-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Yesterday I received the Jakarta Monthly Newsletter. Interesting as always, until I got to the section on PMC nominations. There, I suddenly found my name listed as elected to the Jakarta PMC. This came as a complete surprise and shock to me. When I followed the relevant link, I discovered that a

Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?

2003-07-08 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Once you start getting into a list like this you must consider the IBM ICU project, which tackles these kind of issues. (note, I haven't used ICU). Stephen - Original Message - From: J.Pietschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003

Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?

2003-07-11 Thread Stephen Colebourne
: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor? Stephen Colebourne wrote: Once you start getting into a list like this you must consider the IBM ICU project, which tackles these kind of issues. (note, I haven't used ICU). ICU tackles a lot of important functionality, mainly related

Re: Promotion of sub projects

2003-12-09 Thread Stephen Colebourne
The list of TLP sugestions outlined below is a good starting point. I'll suggest some applicability: The question is whether some projects are willing to make the step to TLP. These seem like possible candidates: Tomcat, Lucene, Struts, Velocity Some others don't strike me as moving out: BCEL,

Choosing against Jakarta

2003-12-15 Thread Stephen Colebourne
As some of you may know, I look after my own date and time code in Java at www.joda.org. I had been hoping to bring this code to Apache, as I believe it to be a very good fit with developments within Jakarta/Jakarta-commons. Today I decided not to pursue this option for the time being, until the

Confused with PMCs, TLPs, ASF and Power?

2003-12-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Then try this: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaPMCPropsedChanges It aims to be a starter course on why discssions about PMCs, TLPs, Jakarta and the ASF appear, and possibly how they affect you. Be aware of the disclaimer at the top, however trying to distill any controversial

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Not really (my POV) As people we naturally think in terms of the hierarchy ASF to Jakarta to MySubProject. But the middle layer is artificial. It could just as well be XML or DB or WebApps or Java or C or 'Projects starting with S' or 'Projects where Joe Bloggs works'. There simply is no one

I thought I'd ask some users

2003-12-20 Thread Stephen Colebourne
As an experiment, I tried asking some non-Jakarta people about some of the issues we face: http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jspa?forumID=61threadID=10427 Some comments that made me smile were: Honestly, Jakarta doesn't mean much to me at all, other than some arbitrary grouping under Apache. I

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
-PROPOSITION (1)- * Require all Jakarta products (or subprojects) to file regular reports with the PMC. You mean 'make each subproject work like a TLP' don't you? Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly

[PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
There has been considerable emphasis on this list over recent weeks for the sticking plaster approach. That is to make small minor changes to Jakarta in the hope the board will stop hassling us. This could be because this is the consensus view and I'm an odd one out. Or it could be that those in

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
I have added to the wiki http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaPMCTopLevelProjectAppli cation a section on board meeting dates (Jan 21st according to the archives). (If anyone knows a better source, or more dates, please update the wiki). Any suggestions of someone who could comment

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] What really saddens me is the idea of chasing them out the door. To use an analogy, its like being the parents of a family, where the children, aged from 4 to 40, are all living at home. It strikes me that it isn't healthy for that 40 year old to be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
. There is no legal requirement that any arbitrary idea that a person has *must* be propagated directly to the dev list of each sub-project. Let others join in this... -Ted. - Original message From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think a lot of what you say presupposed some sort of onerous additional work that comes from being a part of the Jakarta PMC. I would argue that it's no different - if you are providing oversight independently of Jakarta or part of Jakarta, it's

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] We need to get that view corrected, because there is *nothing* that states that every member of the PMC is *directly* responsible for ever part of every code, doc, mail list and CVS usage in Jakarta, the key word is directly. As a PMC member, I should

Re: EU analogy [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
you haven't seen what the EU has been up to :) Talk about over-regulation... LOL :-) OK, so it is a bad analogy. I don't believe that either Costin or I live in the EU. I don't either. I live in Connecticut, USA. I was always suspicious that something was amiss trying to

Re: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-03 Thread Stephen Colebourne
[X] +1 I support this proposal (PMC) [ ] -1 I don't support this proposal [ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [PROPOSAL][site] create separate page for commons downloads

2004-06-20 Thread Stephen Colebourne
PROPOSAL i'd like to shift all jakarta commons component downloads onto separate pages which are linked from the main ones. i think that this will prolong the useful life of the original page without really effecting it's utility. +1

Re: [PROPOSAL][site] create separate page for commons downloads

2004-06-30 Thread Stephen Colebourne
. oh well: win some, lose some. that's just the way it is... - robert On 20 Jun 2004, at 22:45, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Stephen Colebourne wrote: PROPOSAL i'd like to shift all jakarta commons component downloads onto separate pages which are linked from

Port commons-collections to generics under 1.5

2004-09-17 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Fowarding to jakarta general list from commons. Are there any apache committers willing to help out on porting commons-collections to JDK1.5?? I'm overloaded ATM, so can't really help. Whats needed is an existing committer willing to make commits and work on this. Stephen - Original Message

Deciding on Java futures?

2004-10-27 Thread Stephen Colebourne
How are we deciding on the Java Futures? Are we voting? Just talking? There are wide ranging views here, from add no more (JDK1.5 was bad enough) to add everything but the kitchen sink. The wiki has some simpler ideas which haven't been shouted down yet, like jar in jar and access to the Class

Re: Deciding on Java futures?

2004-10-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
http://wiki.apache.org/general/JavaFutures Stephen --- Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What wiki, where? Thanx, Jack On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:08:36 -0400, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, the ideas can be discussed on the mailing list, but we should collect

RE: Deciding on Java futures?

2004-10-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
get some direct feedback on the Wiki page from Sun. --- Noel -Original Message- From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 19:54 To: Jakarta General List Subject: Deciding on Java futures? How are we deciding on the Java

Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-30 Thread Stephen Colebourne
What I was thinking of for projects is something like: ++ |=Projects===| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia| | * etc... | +--Graduated-+ | * Ant | | * etc... | ++ I have two concerns with this: It takes up more space and nothing else

Re: [site] Removing things

2005-01-10 Thread Stephen Colebourne
#8 (langauages) is a pity. Are we planning on trying to fomalize the relationship? To cut them off seems a bit of a disservice after a lot of effort, although equally inaccurate info can be damaging. Also, I'd like to see a section on the left for dormant projects. That doesn't have to be done

Re: [site] Label for promoted Jakarta project

2005-01-12 Thread Stephen Colebourne
I am with this view. Its time to remove other TLP projects from Jakarta, whether or not they once had some link to Jakarta. Stephen - Original Message - Do most visitors care about whether a project is graduated or related? If a new user comes from an up-to-date link (or book/article),

Re: [VOTE] [site] New download pages

2005-02-17 Thread Stephen Colebourne
[X] +1 [ ] -1 Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Jakarta jars binaries for JDK 1.3

2005-02-28 Thread Stephen Colebourne
The problem occurs when a new method is added to a common class StringBuffer.append(Object) was in early JDKs StringBuffer.append (StringBuffer) was added later If you compile under the later JDKs it uses the second method. Run that bytecode on an earlier JDK and it fails. Thats why I always

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Stephen Colebourne
While not directly involved with Tomcat, some code I have written via commons probably is included in Tomcat distros. My comment is simply that I found the pdf description rather distasteful and definitely worthy of gentle correction. We all have lines that we don't want to see crossed, and

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Stephen Colebourne
From: Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP. As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella. What motivate the move to TLP now. Currently, Tomcat developers are

Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications

2005-06-17 Thread Stephen Colebourne
robert burrell donkin wrote: there have been a number of long running threads in the commons discussing the possibility of commons components for use in web applications. the consensus emerged that it would be best if a new subproject with a structure similar to the commons was created for

Re: sandbox [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-06-25 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Rahul Akolkar wrote: is boils down to the question: does this subproject need it's own sandbox or will neophyte components start in the jakarta commons sandbox? +1 for sandbox (non-binding) Its slightly hard to imagine anything otherwise, but maybe I'm just used to seeing how commons and

Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-06-25 Thread Stephen Colebourne
robert burrell donkin wrote: this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop point 12. 12. The subproject will also provide a single JAR of all stable package releases. It may also provide a second JAR with a subset of only JDK 1.1 compatible releases. A gump of nightly

Re: configuration files [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]

2005-06-25 Thread Stephen Colebourne
robert burrell donkin wrote: On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: 9 or somewhere else should speak to J2EE or other external config requirments, which should be fine, even encouraged in some cases is 9 needed? are any configuration guidelines needed? if they are then i

Name for commons-like area for web

2005-06-25 Thread Stephen Colebourne
There doesn't seem to be a thread for this The current suggestions are: Commons Web Jakarta Web Parts for Java (JWP4J) Web App Commons Web App Components Web App Modules Web Bricks Web Commons Web Components Web Libs Web Parts Web Tools Weblets Of these, WebParts has issues

Re: GMANE

2005-09-03 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Martin Cooper wrote: On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, David Smiley wrote: Hello all. I love using GMANE ( http://www.gmane.org ) to access mailing lists because: 1. one stop mailing-list shopping -- a consistent experience 2. NNTP access 3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-12 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Phil Steitz wrote: Hopefully we can keep it at a point where the groups are really just there to refine the flow of mail, not to separate it. HttpComponents is an example of this (though not a good one as most of its components came from HttpClient). WebComponents (formerly hoped to be known

Re: Notice of intent.... #2

2006-01-13 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Tim OBrien wrote: --- Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example: - HttpComponents - WebComponents - LibraryComponents (narrowAPI-deep) - BaseComponents (broadAPI-shallow) Explain that narrowAPI-deep, braodAPI-shallow business. BroadAPI-Shallow The principal API of the component

Re: [PROPOSAL] Two community proposals

2006-03-05 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Henri Yandell wrote: Given that we are one project and that we should be acting as one community I both agree and disagree with the premise. Jakarta is one community from an ASF point of view (not that important). Jakarta is many communities in reality (really important). Reality and

One community or many

2006-03-05 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Henri Yandell wrote: I'm not tied to any of the things I'm suggesting - except the strong belief that Jakarta as a community of communities cannot work. So I'm definitely in favour of more shared site and less individual site - I'm in favour of a flat Jakarta, both in terms of SVN acces and

[PROPOSAL] Jakarta Language Components

2006-03-07 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Reposted (edited) from original commons proposal. Currently this proposal has general, though not unanimous, support. A vote thread may follow this thread if the mood remains positive. I hereby propose the creation of a new Jakarta entity named 'Jakarta Language Components'. This will be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta Language Components

2006-03-07 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Roland Weber wrote: Hello, other 1-word suggestions would be great. since they're language components, you can call them Syllables :-) I understand the desire for 'fancy' names, but it misses the point unfortunately. This is merely a grouping a several *Jakarta* components. A fancy name

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta Language Components

2006-03-07 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I will vote -1 based soley on item 1 of the list for the reasons I've already explained. I think that having ANOTHER jak-commons is a fundementally bad idea. If these are truly enahancements to JavaSE, they are one community, and share a mailinglist...then make them

Other Jakarta Components

2006-03-07 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Thomas Dudziak wrote: Could you elaborate a bit on what the physical / visual-to-users differences to the current commons, well, Jakarta sub-project will be ? Will this be a new Jakarta sub-project (and the other commons components will remain in the current commons one) ? I've been trying to

Re: Other Jakarta Components

2006-03-12 Thread Stephen Colebourne
DbUtils and DBCP to db.apache.org sounds like a win to me; DBCP would point back to Jakarta for a dependency on [pool], but that helps to foster intra-project involvement. Betwixt, Digester and JXPath strike me as a bit more to swallow and XML might not want to taking such bites. You want to

Re: [Jakarta Wiki] Update of OneCommunityProposals by StephenColebourne

2006-03-12 Thread Stephen Colebourne
For the record, I wrote this to try to sum up where discussions have got to and to provide some vision as to where the end result might be. Checking mailing lists tonight indicates that POI has quite a healthy set of messages as is. I didn't see much development discussion (an indicator of

Re: Managing communities and emails (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta Language Components)

2006-03-14 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Henri Yandell wrote: A joke turns into something serious ...but I am all with you guys. As I said: the more I think about it - the more I like the idea! You've got my +1 :) But is that what you mean? (+1 is active not passive) This all sounds like a nice idea, and could potentially solve

Re: [VOTE] Remove SVN restrictions

2006-03-27 Thread Stephen Colebourne
[X] +1 [ ] -1 Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Jakarta Scope

2006-04-11 Thread Stephen Colebourne
--- Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think our scope is: *** Components that are, a) written in and/or for the Java environment b) too small in the long-term to be their own independent communities

Re: [VOTE] Move Jakarta Cactus/JMeter to new Testing TLP

2006-04-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
[ ] +1 I am favorable to the move and would like to contribute to the new TLP [X] +1 I am favorable to the move but would not be participating in the new TLP [ ] +0 it does not matter to me [ ] -1 I am against it because Stephen

Re: svn commit: r406115 - /jakarta/site/docs/style/jakarta-maven.css

2006-05-16 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Rahul Akolkar wrote: On 5/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: scolebourne Fix IE menu problem snip/ Thanks for looking into this! Yeh, it was an IE bug where one background colour messed up another. I used the old trick of removing everything and then gradually

Re: Opening up the PMC

2006-08-09 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Henri Yandell wrote: What do people think to the following: 1) Every existing committer not on the pmc receives an email asking if they would like to join the pmc. Once that email is sent they are marked in a file as having had the email sent and we can wash our hands until a reply comes in.

Re: Tracking Jakarta Software Dependencies

2006-09-12 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Daniel F. Savarese wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ortwin_Gl=FCck?= writes: JDK version: what a mess. IMHO this is THE information that is missing on almost ANY project page out there. I think everyone's responses have brought this topic to closure. Library dependencies

Re: POI TLP -- constructively

2006-12-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Thank you Andy for the detailed and constructive response. I didn't and won't participate in the previous thread because there were too many negatives there. I like the proposals below, so long as the X months is not too large. I believe a 3-4 months target is appropriate for a POI TLP.

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-08 Thread Stephen Colebourne
[X] +1 I support the proposal [ ] +0 I don't care [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because... Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-14 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Travelling ATM, limited internet My preference is for a java-only commons.apache.org. I don't see that as scary or unreasonable. My +1 is based on that assumption. Also, from a practical matter, our projects already use org.apache.commons, so this is already recognised in the ASF. Stephen

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-22 Thread Stephen Colebourne
- Original Message From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5/22/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: Yes, of course, there are passionate believers in the development of particular libraries. Are there enough to make a viable community for *any* of the libraries on

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-23 Thread Stephen Colebourne
- Original Message From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5/22/07, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary: a) I believe the status quo is not viable b) I believe that merging commons into Jakarta merges two mismatched groups My suggestion was to merge the Jakarta

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-23 Thread Stephen Colebourne
This seems a little overplanned in my mind ;) Allow a little more evolution. - Commons goes TLP. - Rules for Commons TLP become clear (one mailing list, one PMC, anyone commits in any component, anyone votes/reviews any release, comfortable social group) - Then invite communities from Jakarta

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-23 Thread Stephen Colebourne
- Original Message From: sebb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do all the Commons sub-projects have sufficient numbers ot committers to justify them remaining in Commons? For example CLI has not even had a formal release yet and has been far less active than JMeter, but is still protected by being

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-23 Thread Stephen Colebourne
- Original Message From: Dion Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using CLI as an example, I'm not sure that there is a shared sense of responsibility for it. CLI 1.x has had an issue open against it since 2006-03 with only recent activity on it, and Henri's comment in that issue from 2007-03

Re: What about HttpClient?

2007-06-29 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Roland Weber wrote: 1. Keep the httpclient site with the rest of commons and move it to the new TLP domain. We'll have to update the httpclient build with the new location and redeploy. (Anything I've forgotten?) 2. Move the httpclient site to httpcomponents. Since httpcomponents is unlikely to

Re: What about HttpClient?

2007-06-30 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Oleg Kalnichevski wrote: The question is really whether the Commons TLP owns the HttpClient codebase. Based on the project's charter approved by the Jakarta PMC on Oct 31st, 2005 the HttpComponents project is meant to have the ownership of the Commons HttpClient codebase Thats great! Thanks

Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists

2009-10-23 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Rahul Akolkar wrote: This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. +1 Subject to encouraging a Commons style prefixing system