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A scratchpad for notes on the Testing proposal.

New page:
A scratchpad for our thoughts towards the Testing TLP. The following list began 
as a direct paste out of Felipe's email on [EMAIL PROTECTED] archived here, 
amongst other places:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=115047715227445&w=2

 1. We will try to pass the resolution (of the Testing TLP creation) on the 
next board meeting (on 21st?) and Phill Steitz will be our proxy. As he is not 
directly involved in the process (at least not yet :-), we must come out with 
whatever he should present in the meeting;

 1. We understand the board's concerns about an umbrella, but we would like a 
formal definition of what an umbrella is, i.e., if it's allowed to have new 
sub-domains as umbrellas and what rules they should follow;

 1. TAO (testing.apache.org) will initially contain only the JMeter and Cactus 
projects, migrated from Jakarta

 1. TAO will be open to any testing-related project, independent on the 
technology or language involved. But it will have guidelines on whether a new 
project would be accept on it, and these guidelines will focus primarily in the 
ability of the project to maintain itself (i.e., the developer base, community 
involvement, etc..). These guidelines are also the main mitigating factor 
against the 'kitchen-sink umbrella concern'.

 1. It's not clear yet how new projects will be accepted (although I guess it's 
the regular incubator process), but that's something we can discuss later, once 
the TLP is created and in place;

 1. We are confident there is a growing interest in the community (specially 
among other ASF projects) for this TLP; a few people already manifested such 
interested. We are also aware this can be both a good and bad sign (as it could 
lead to the umbrella bloat), but we believe the benefits outweighs the concerns;

 1. So far this discussion has been 'restrict' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] list and 
the board; we could 'spread the word' through the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list and 
ApacheConEU, but I'm not sure if it's necessary at this point (as mentioned on 
item 6, there is real interest outside of Jakarta already)

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