Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
What I would like to do is to hear from Howard himself (or anyone
working on the HiveMind project)! I'm particularly interested in how
Avalon can leverage some of the technologies in HiveMind, and I'm
equally confident in the ability of Avalon to provide
I say
that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he
wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally,
I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the
Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be encouraged to do so; however,
Andrew C. Oliver wrote in haste:
I say
that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he
wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally,
I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the
Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Perhaps you missed that part of my message.
No - I didn't miss anything.
What you could do is try to add some rationalization around your
arguments instead of making negative assertions about a project
you are not involved with and are not interested in.
The rest of
I prefer to see Hivemind established as a community (as far
as I know Howard
is the only member of the community ATM) before exploring
as you say. I see
no reason to deprive Howard of the opportunity to establish
Hivemind and
build a community.
That's what is, in fact, surprising
On 12/1/03 2:02 AM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
End of discussion.
Excellent.
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On 12/1/03 2:47 AM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought you ended our discussion? Okay I guess not. My point continues
to be that I don't think Howard should be forced and that if HiveMind builds
a community, it is perfectly welcome here regardless of cooperation with
Avalon.
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I don't think that Avalon has any right to have a stranglehold on all
service frameworks.
Andrew:
The Avalon community very aware of the the different approaches that
exist. If your following the Avalon dev list you would be aware of
ongoing discussions concerning
/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
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-Original Message-
From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:29 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
+1 - there is room enough.
On a related
Of Stephen McConnell
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on
my personal home page:
Howard:
Are you open to the idea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on my personal home page:
Howard:
Are you open to the idea of discussing some mutual areas of interest?
There are a number of aspects of the work you are doing that are
complimentary with the work on-going in
I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
the Jakarta umbrella.
We have projects with a much smaller scope as normal jakarta projects
and we have and had framework projects such as Cocoon, Avalon or Turbine
outside of the commons.
IMHO the scope of HiveMind is already
I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
the Jakarta umbrella.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, if the criteria are met and the
political implications of creating a new sub-project are acceptable.
Otherwise a spell in commons will help to cement the community
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
the Jakarta umbrella.
Isn't that what this proposal is proposing? If it isn't, then
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the wrong list to propose it to.
We have projects with
Howard wrote:
3) Chuck it over to Avalon
I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and
vice-versa,
but they are really quite different beasts. The type-1 vs.
type-2/type-3
split is intrinsic and difficult to reconcile. HiveMind's concept of a
module
doesn't map so
FYI:
I think someone wanted this to get forwarded to the Avalon 'general' mailing
list, but since that doesn't exist, I thought I'd send it to our dev list.
For the Avaloners:
There's been a bit of discussion lately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about what to do with
Hivemind seeing that it has
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::-Original Message-
::From: Nayak, Prashant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
::Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:35 PM
::To: Jakarta General List
::Subject: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
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::Proposal for the HiveMind Project
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Daft question, possibly, but could someone summarise the IP issue that was
happening over HiveMind and how it is currently resolved.
I've not been following the thread, but I've seen the noise. Is everything
squared away and happy?
Hen
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Nayak, Prashant wrote:
Proposal
So this proposal is dependent on the grant?
Any time line on that?
[not trying to get in the way, jsut to do the pmc-thing]
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The offending IP has been taken off-line: this includes the HiveMind CVS
repository, the temporary downloads directory and
From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions
tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long before
any real action is necessitated.
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Cool. Could this be added as a note to the proposal? As a dependency or
whatever.
Hen
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions
tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long
: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these
discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant
will be ready long before any real action is necessitated.
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: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:46 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these
discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant
will be ready long before any real
Accepting this proposal as currently written would also involve the
acceptance of five new individuals as Apache committers. Based on where
the HiveMind repo currently is/was, that implies giving five unknowns (to
me, anyway) access to Jakarta Commons as a whole. I'm not so sure I'd be
willing to
Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for HiveMind,
as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many dependencies, etc.).
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Accepting this proposal as
Quoting:
Note: the current code base reflects an alternate package name,
org.apache.commons.hivemind. Subsequent research has shown that
HiveMind is not a suitable candidate for the Jakarta Commons. The
existing code base will be migrated to the new package during the
transition out of the
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for
HiveMind, as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many
dependencies, etc.).
Even if it were proposed that Hivemind stay in jakarta-commons, I do not share
Martin's
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