Re: [site] Sister Resources
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Resources (Unofficial) gets my vote, works for me. Ditto Vadim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Resources (Unofficial) gets my vote, works for me. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:28:14 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: > Sister resources doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a very odd phrase > of English. The only other one I know of is 'Sister Cities', which implies > a sense of equality between the cities. Okay, this is what I wanted to hear. :) # Just I could not hear "is this odd?" directly -- so, # "i'll do if there's no objection". > Resources (Unofficial) gets my vote, as that lets us link in bits in > our own Wiki or personal apache pages. Wiki itself would be official, in terms of domain name (nagoya.apache, wiki.apache), however, Henri's comment makes sense. "Resources (External)" would make sense more, perhaps. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
Sister resources doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a very odd phrase of English. The only other one I know of is 'Sister Cities', which implies a sense of equality between the cities. Resources (Unofficial) gets my vote, as that lets us link in bits in our own Wiki or personal apache pages. Hen On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: > > On 19 Mar 2004, at 08:50, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, robert burrell donkin > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 11 Mar 2004, at 12:47, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > >>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:32:31 +0100 > Stefan Bodewig wrote: > >> > >> > >> > > Depends on what you consider a sister resource. > > At least, I guess robert is considering planetapache > would be one of them :) > -- external resources to apache.org domain > >>> > >>> This is to broad to me for a general "I'll add some unless anybody > >>> objects". I'd like to know which you'll add unless anybody > >>> objects. > >> > >> my original suggestion for something like 'Resources > >> (Unofficial)'. > > > > How about "External Resources" then? "Sister" implies more > > endorsement than is needed IMHO. > > the argument was that it's good to be consistent with www.apache.org > (which uses this particular term). after reflection, i'm still inclined > towards "Resources (Unofficial)" (being both concise and accurate) or > "External Resources" (i like it less than the first for aesthetic > reasons) and away from "Sister Resources" but my feeling aren't too > strong... > > anyone else have preferences they'd like to express? > > > > >> users will need to be able to find these related resources which > >> will be hosted offshore (rather than by the ASF). > > > > I think the jpackage project may be one of the related projects, then. > > They provide RPMs for quite a few Java Apache projects. > > i'd definitely agree. > > after brian's comments about the great strides made by the freeBSD > ports of ASF product coded in java, i'd also like to think about adding > a freeBSD related link. > > but, now (before we start adding links) is probably a good time to > gauge community feelings about suitability. if anyone has any opinions > on this, then this would be a really good time to speak up :) > > - robert > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On 19 Mar 2004, at 08:50, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11 Mar 2004, at 12:47, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:32:31 +0100 Stefan Bodewig wrote: Depends on what you consider a sister resource. At least, I guess robert is considering planetapache would be one of them :) -- external resources to apache.org domain This is to broad to me for a general "I'll add some unless anybody objects". I'd like to know which you'll add unless anybody objects. my original suggestion for something like 'Resources (Unofficial)'. How about "External Resources" then? "Sister" implies more endorsement than is needed IMHO. the argument was that it's good to be consistent with www.apache.org (which uses this particular term). after reflection, i'm still inclined towards "Resources (Unofficial)" (being both concise and accurate) or "External Resources" (i like it less than the first for aesthetic reasons) and away from "Sister Resources" but my feeling aren't too strong... anyone else have preferences they'd like to express? users will need to be able to find these related resources which will be hosted offshore (rather than by the ASF). I think the jpackage project may be one of the related projects, then. They provide RPMs for quite a few Java Apache projects. i'd definitely agree. after brian's comments about the great strides made by the freeBSD ports of ASF product coded in java, i'd also like to think about adding a freeBSD related link. but, now (before we start adding links) is probably a good time to gauge community feelings about suitability. if anyone has any opinions on this, then this would be a really good time to speak up :) - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. Put Apache > Jakarta Project to all the XML files in "jakarta-site2" > module. I still think the obfuscation is pointless. > 3. Renamed "Translated(Web)" to "Sister Resources" @ left-side navi I'd prefer a label that implies less endorsment. Related Resources, External Resources. I'm not good at names. > 4. Added "PlanetApache" and "Apache News" to Sister Resources > category Fine with me (even though I wonder whether you've checked with anybody about your usage of the apachenews.org domain name, but that's a different issue). Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11 Mar 2004, at 12:47, Stefan Bodewig wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:32:31 +0100 >>> Stefan Bodewig wrote: > > > Depends on what you consider a sister resource. >>> >>> At least, I guess robert is considering planetapache >>> would be one of them :) >>> -- external resources to apache.org domain >> >> This is to broad to me for a general "I'll add some unless anybody >> objects". I'd like to know which you'll add unless anybody >> objects. > > my original suggestion for something like 'Resources > (Unofficial)'. How about "External Resources" then? "Sister" implies more endorsement than is needed IMHO. > i have a great deal of respect for the people running the > translation websites Absolutely. > users will need to be able to find these related resources which > will be hosted offshore (rather than by the ASF). I think the jpackage project may be one of the related projects, then. They provide RPMs for quite a few Java Apache projects. > no ulterior motives, i promise :) 8-) I didn't expect any. Cheers Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:01:41 + robert burrell donkin wrote: > but that's all for the future. at the present, i just wanted to think > about renaming translations and to think about adding planetapache :) > > no ulterior motives, i promise :) Done, 1. Removed real names and e-mail addresses from all the XML files in "jakarta-site2" module. -- /document/properties/author elements 2. Put Apache Jakarta Project to all the XML files in "jakarta-site2" module. (Obfuscated ... thanx > Stefan) 3. Renamed "Translated(Web)" to "Sister Resources" @ left-side navi 4. Added "PlanetApache" and "Apache News" to Sister Resources category Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. I know it that robert is fanatical about planetapache :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On 11 Mar 2004, at 12:47, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:32:31 +0100 Stefan Bodewig wrote: Depends on what you consider a sister resource. At least, I guess robert is considering planetapache would be one of them :) -- external resources to apache.org domain This is to broad to me for a general "I'll add some unless anybody objects". I'd like to know which you'll add unless anybody objects. my original suggestion for something like 'Resources (Unofficial)'. i have a great deal of respect for the people running the translation websites but (after following numerous debates on matters related to official translations) i think that it's important to indicate that the translated sites are not officially approved by the ASF. planetapache is very cool and it's a shame that it's not linked anywhere from the jakarta home page. i was pondering about adding a link below the translations (but in the same section). in some ways, though, it's really bigger than that: it's also about one road that the ASF seems to be starting to traveling down. it seems to me that we're starting to reach out to a larger but more diffuse community. at the same time, the organization is becoming more centralized and policy driven. it seems to me that these conflicting ideas are likely to be reflected in the ASF websites. the scope of websites hosted by the ASF will probably need to be more tightly policed with some content moving away to related resources. users will need to be able to find these related resources which will be hosted offshore (rather than by the ASF). i know that some people will say: 'why not just let people google?'. for me, the problem is that google isn't quite what it used to be (or at least, that's the way it seems to me). it's no good expecting users to know about a useful site which isn't linked and is google ranked below fifty. i don't know if people have been following the debates on licensing but it seems to me likely that jakarta may need to think about providing links to downstream packagers (to allow users to obtain full, ready-to-run distributions) sooner or later. offshore pages may also be a better solution to problems like the vendor's page. (struts has gone down this route.) but that's all for the future. at the present, i just wanted to think about renaming translations and to think about adding planetapache :) no ulterior motives, i promise :) - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:32:31 +0100 > Stefan Bodewig wrote: > >> > Also, at the same time, i'd like to perform the clean-up things >> > upon "jakarta-site2" module -- > > email="general.AT.jakarta.DOT.apache.DOT.org">Apache Jakarta >> > Project >> Why not simply remove the author completely? > > I am afraid it that people can not easily find this: > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html#Feedback > - where to contact. It never occured to me to look into the author tag in order to find the contact information ... If you really want to keep the author tags at all, I'd say there is very little point in obfuscating it. Most bots will probably parse the schema anyway - and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is scattered to so many places that having it inside the author tags won't add any damage IMHO. >> Depends on what you consider a sister resource. > > At least, I guess robert is considering planetapache > would be one of them :) > -- external resources to apache.org domain This is to broad to me for a general "I'll add some unless anybody objects". I'd like to know which you'll add unless anybody objects. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:32:31 +0100 Stefan Bodewig wrote: > > Also, at the same time, i'd like to perform the clean-up things upon > > "jakarta-site2" module -- > email="general.AT.jakarta.DOT.apache.DOT.org">Apache Jakarta > > Project > Why not simply remove the author completely? I am afraid it that people can not easily find this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html#Feedback - where to contact. remove -> append would be harder than keep/modify -> remove -- so, i'd like to remain/put the author elements in XMLs for a while. > Depends on what you consider a sister resource. At least, I guess robert is considering planetapache would be one of them :) -- external resources to apache.org domain Sincerly, -- Tetsuya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it that perhaps we can use > "Sister Resources" > title on the left-side nav @ each jakarta.apache pages. > > I'll perform such a change if i can see no objections here. > (next week) Depends on what you consider a sister resource. > Also, at the same time, i'd like to perform the clean-up things upon > "jakarta-site2" module -- email="general.AT.jakarta.DOT.apache.DOT.org">Apache Jakarta > Project Why not simply remove the author completely? Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Sister Resources
Hi, I think it that perhaps we can use "Sister Resources" title on the left-side nav @ each jakarta.apache pages. # Perhaps we might be able to encourage "offshore" # developments, repo etc. ;-) You can see "Sister Projects" desciption @ www.apache.org pages (PHP etc.). There's nice precedent for such. I'll perform such a change if i can see no objections here. (next week) Also, at the same time, i'd like to perform the clean-up things upon "jakarta-site2" module -- Apache Jakarta Project at /document/properties/author elements in every XML files in /xdocs/ -- in order to protect privacy of contributors etc.. I've performed the same thing upon "site" module, already - for www.apache.org. Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Created http://www.apachenews.org/ -- On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:33:17 +0900 (Subject: Re: [site] Translated (Web) -> Unofficial Resources...?) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Agreed. Go ahead. (Or, i will do it by myself ;-) > 'Community Resources (Unofficial)' is very nice naming. > News Blog (currently - http://www.terra-intl.com/tetsuya/) > perhaps can join. I'd like to *experiment* for a while. > > Cheers, > > -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:23:50 + > robert burrell donkin wrote: > > > at the moment, we have a section on the jakarta navigation bar that's > > titled 'Translated (Web)'. i've been wondering whether it might be > > better to rename this to something like 'Community Resources > > (Unofficial)'. this would make it clear that (though we're very > > grateful for these sites), they are not officially endorsed > > translations. > > > > later, we might think about adding other unofficial resources (such as > > planetapache) to the menu. > > > > - robert - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
