RE: Just in case you're curious

2004-01-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to discuss individual people on the public list. --- Noel

Re: Just in case you're curious

2004-01-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. Oh, quit it. Discussing individual people should be done in private to let people speak freely and avoid

Re: Just in case you're curious

2004-01-03 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to discuss individual people on the public list. Agreed. We

Re: Just in case you're curious

2004-01-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to

RE: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
No, that is not correct. The point of having most committers on the PMC is not to keep discussions out of google. The point of getting them on the PMC is so that the ASF can legally protect them, and so that they are legally empowered to participate in the decisions that govern the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 21, 2003, at 8:17 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 07:17:57AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: That's the point of getting as many people as are seriously interested in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we discuss something sensitive (as defined by

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Vic Cekvenich
BIG SNIP Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... sensitive things should be on the PMC list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list. /end Geir What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community? This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:27 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: BIG SNIP Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... sensitive things should be on the PMC list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list. /end Geir What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community? This is new direction.

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 22, 2003, at 8:05 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:38:54 -0500 Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community? This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are ashamed of it, don't do open source

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:04:26 -0500 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Dec 21, 2003, at 5:03 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: You go discus

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:11:02 -0800 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 09:58:53AM -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22 Dec 2003 01:53:20 +0100 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious Sorry to hear you didn't understand my mail at all If that is the way a PMC member communicates, I can never be part of that PMC. Mvgr, Martin

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:35:45 -0500 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Dec 21, 2003, at 3:51 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:27 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: BIG SNIP Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... sensitive things should be on the PMC list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list. /end Geir What could be something

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Danny Angus
Andy wrote: FYI, except where I feel the situation absolutely mandates it, I will be voting/discussing here. snip I choose to work in the open. I choose to be googled. I volunteered for it in fact. Well said, I agree with this. But why be so confrontational about it? After all in the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Dec 2003 01:53:20 +0100 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious Sorry to hear you didn't understand my mail at all If that is the way a PMC member communicates, I can never be part of that PMC. Mvgr, Martin On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 23:10, Andrew C. Oliver

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Danny Angus
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:27 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: BIG SNIP Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... sensitive things should be on the PMC list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list. /end Geir What could be something

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
: Re: Just in case you're curious On Dec 21, 2003, at 3:51 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El domingo, 21 dici, 2003, a las 02:35 Europe/Madrid, Henri Yandell escribió: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:38:54 -0500 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:27 AM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: BIG SNIP Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... sensitive things

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary. While closing out everyone else. Like those who are not yet committers. I

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:12:02 -0500 Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open discussion can

RE: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open discussion can happen in a

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:10:27 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize that arguing with you on this will have no effect, but I want to keep working to extinguish the meme you keep trying to plant. +1, Andrew seems to have boundless energy in this regard ;-) ! It seems that he/she/it is a

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here in Jakarta (as well as other projects, I assume), the sub-projects do committer votes in public. Some people outside of Jakarta feel that this is improper, and should be done in private to ensure that open

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Larry, I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf of the organization. Further is it seems that the ASF does not believe this

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Larry, I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf of the organization. Further is

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Larry, I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability protection from the ASF because the PMC

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Larry, I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:13 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Larry, I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From what

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:04:26 -0500 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Dec 21, 2003, at 5:03 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
Dain Sundstrom wrote: Larry, I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have liability protection from the ASF because the PMC members are acting on behalf of the organization. Further is it seems that the ASF does

RE: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Lawrence E. Rosen asked: Would someone please explain what protection committers expect from ASF? And what legal empowerment is being granted? I doubt that very many people can answer that question with any authority at all. Certainly not me. The most that I can do for you is provide a

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: The Apache Software Foundation, Committer Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:16:44 +0900 To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:10:27 + [EMAIL

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Santiago Gala
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El domingo, 21 dici, 2003, a las 02:35 Europe/Madrid, Henri Yandell escribió: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El jueves, 18 dici, 2003, a las 15:52 Europe/Madrid, Henri Yandell escribió:

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
You go discus your private matters wherever you like, I'd like to talk about open source projects and am quite willing to do so in the open. What that we've discussed so far has been SSSooo sensitive? The recipe to the secret Jakarta Eggnog? I thought Jon took that with him... I think it

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Sorry to hear you didn't understand my mail at all If that is the way a PMC member communicates, I can never be part of that PMC. Mvgr, Martin On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 23:10, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Now the conversation is here, that is the solution. You're welcome. -Andy

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 21, 2003, at 5:03 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: You go discus your private matters wherever you like, I'd like to talk about open source projects and am quite willing to do so in the open. And you know there's a difference. :) What that we've discussed so far has been SSSooo

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 07:17:57AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: That's the point of getting as many people as are seriously interested in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we discuss something sensitive (as defined by the discusser), it doesn't all have to be on

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-20 Thread Santiago Gala
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El jueves, 18 dici, 2003, a las 15:52 Europe/Madrid, Henri Yandell escribió: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html lists the PMC members up until the previous addition of 20 or so. That list has to go to the board etc and I plan to add them

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 19, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Rainer Klute wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:23:16 -0500 Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond by saying that as I understand it it is the source and the development of it

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El jueves, 18 dici, 2003, a las 15:52 Europe/Madrid, Henri Yandell escribió: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html lists the PMC members up until the previous addition of 20 or so. That

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-19 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Andrew, The big difference between Geir and you, is that Geir is actually trying to give feedback and explain the situation on what's going on. The only messages I keep reading from you are protests against private lists and that they should be public and for the rest nothing at all

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-19 Thread Rainer Klute
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:23:16 -0500 Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond by saying that as I understand it it is the source and the development of it which is open, not the organisation. As a

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 17, 2003, at 10:19 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. | Don't feed | | the trolls | | | | --\|/ -- Andrew C. Oliver

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 17, 2003, at 11:01 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Yep. Do that. Every committer should want to be part of the PMC. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Serge Huber
At 04:19 AM 12/18/2003, you wrote: The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. Well at least it's honest. But it makes me wonder about the long term effect of a private decision process in an open source group. It seems to have almost destroyed the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Danny Angus
The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. Well at least it's honest. But it makes me wonder about the long term effect of a private decision process in an open source group. It seems to have almost destroyed the XFree86 project recently.

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best person to nudge then? :) -- Andy Armstrong, Tagish

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best person to nudge then? :) Anyone. Interested? -- Andy Armstrong,

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Who's the best person to nudge then? :) Anyone. Interested? Yes, very much thanks. -- Andy Armstrong, Tagish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
) To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious subjects have been: how the PMC should work organising a vote or something for a new pmc chair [5 or 6 people nominated so far] how to ensure oversight of jakarta general ramblings about jakarta futures

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Danny Angus
Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end up being made on private PMC lists not open to the public? For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond by saying that as I understand it it is the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond by saying that as I understand it it is the source and the development of it which is open, not the organisation. As a committer I would like to know what's going on with the origanization. I can understand

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Danny Angus wrote: Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end up being made on private PMC lists not open to the public? For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Danny Angus
As a committer I would like to know what's going on with the origanization. I can understand certain private conversations that involve legal implications, but anything else, I think, should be out in the open to do justice to the committers. It seems like there is some talk going on about

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:58 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
First off, as a commiter your entitled to be proposed for membership of the PMC, which I'd be happy to do. Thanks for the offer but I don't know if I would qualify for one. The description on the website is pretty broad. Secondly there has been a long drawn out debate in numerous places

Re: PMC mailing list (Re: Just in case you're curious)

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:52 AM, Joe Germuska wrote: Anyone. Interested? I'm interested in being on the PMC mailing list; I just became a Struts committer. My apache ID is germuska. Joe, I took the liberty of cc-ing the general Jakarta list. Congrats on becoming a committer. I hope that your

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:23:25 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: Agreed. Andy's highlighted the issue and I'm sure there'll be more aggressiveness on pushing threads that don't need to remain closed to this open forum. About the issue of openness and closeness: board@ is *public* for all the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? I think the best way to describe what is going on in private is that we are trying to get things organized enough to have a public discussion of the things that are concerning us. Which is IMHO,

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 11:28 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? You are making assertions that aren't correct to cast doubt on something. That's commonly known as FUD. I think the best way to describe what is

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Dirk Verbeeck
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best person to nudge then? :) Anyone.

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Sam Ruby
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 17, 2003, at 10:19 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. | Don't feed | | the trolls | | | | --\|/ I must admit

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? You are making assertions that aren't correct to cast doubt on something. That's commonly known as FUD. I'm sorry, I hallucinated that we were having all of these discussions about the future

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 8:02 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? You are making assertions that aren't correct to cast doubt on something. That's commonly known as FUD. I'm sorry, I hallucinated that we were having

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I'm sorry, I hallucinated that we were having all of these discussions about the future of jakarta and how to best reorganize it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember what you said. You said that decisions were being made in private. Oh yes, I hallucinated the [VOTE] threads too. Damn those

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 5:39 PM, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta.

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-17 Thread Henri Yandell
subjects have been: how the PMC should work organising a vote or something for a new pmc chair [5 or 6 people nominated so far] how to ensure oversight of jakarta general ramblings about jakarta futures in terms of TLPs and whether social pressure should ever be applied to move a project to

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-17 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:19:41 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. It would be okay unless all the decisions will have been made on infrastructure@ list. ... ;-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])