Re: About bug handling survey

[A. Gunes Koru]

On 10 Oct 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 10:39, A. Gunes Koru wrote:
> > I am also in this list and I don't see the number of surveys blooming.
> > This is totally an incorrect statement. The e-mails I sent is related to
> > the questions at the very heart of development. So, if they are
> > unsolicited, unrequired, one can easily argue that non of the e-mails is
> > required.
> >
>
> This is a circular argument...  If my smartass remarks on your survey
> are unsolicited, unrequired then one can easily argue that any response
> to your survey ;-)

No. First of all, 95% of the survey questions are about the facts. The
rest are about the people's opinions. Your remarks are not related to the
"major" part of the survey. So, your remarks are not answers to the many
questions. In the comments part of the survey, nobody tried to exercise
any control on how you fill it out, how you answer the questions. You are
free to leave your comments on the survey form. "Nobody told you that any
answer or comment is irrelevant". You are the one who raises such an
issue about the relevancy e-mails. Your point above that this is a
circular argument does not make "any" sense at all.

> smartass remarks

You think so.



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Re: About bug handling survey

[Andrew C. Oliver]

On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 10:39, A. Gunes Koru wrote:
> 
> Dear Andy,
> 
> First of all, I would prefer to discuss these matters individually not on 
> the list. However, because you are sending e-mails to the list I need to 
> write it to the list too.
> 

Then you might have taken my smartassed remarks personally... oh wait..
;-)

> I am also in this list and I don't see the number of surveys blooming.  
> This is totally an incorrect statement. The e-mails I sent is related to
> the questions at the very heart of development. So, if they are
> unsolicited, unrequired, one can easily argue that non of the e-mails is
> required.
> 

This is a circular argument...  If my smartass remarks on your survey
are unsolicited, unrequired then one can easily argue that any response
to your survey ;-)

> Regarding to the second part of e-mail, I think everybody in this list is
> clever enough to see you are just trying to place some definitions or
> labels. I am 30 years old I think I have been in many projects, which
> allow me to talk about what I know precisely. There are people doing their
> Ph.D. in their 40s and 50s. So, would you call them kids too? You only
> judge or identify yourself with what you say. You can not identify
> others. I think, any person who gained true mastery in a field would not
> feel this need to do it anyways. 
> 

It was a generalization based on the last few of these surveys I've
gotten.  There are always exceptions.


> Let people decide. I have been received over 110 answers. Let me ask you
> this. If there are people in this project interested in what I am writing,
> how can you feel comfortable trying to put down this communication. Do
> you think your friends do not have the ability to distinguish what is 
> useful, what is relevant, what is not?
> 

Because its was my opinion.  I've never gained any really useful
information out of surveys, most especially on software development.


> As I conclude, I should say that I am truly inspired with what I am doing 
> and would like to remind this
 
To each their own.  If Surveys inspire you...go for it.  If making
smartass remarks about how many surveys I get in a day inspires
me...well I'll go for it ;-)

You know what I hate most about surveys?  Trying to characterize my
answers into one of the choices.  I am that dot you throw out because it
falls outside of the acceptable range of deviation ;-)

> "I might disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death 
> your right to say it." 
> Voltaire
>

exactly ;-) 

-Andy

> To everybody, if the things I write in my e-mails make sense, please
> visit:
> 
> http://www.seas.smu.edu/~gkoru/surveys/dhsurvey.html
> 
> and fill out my survey, if you haven't done yet.
> 
> Regards
> 
> A. Gunes Koru
> http://www.seas.smu.edu/~gkoru
> 
> ===
> >I answered the first two or three of these that was sent to me (student
> >studies)...  But they seem to be blooming rapidly.  One could
> >hypothesize through the use of some kind of mathematical model that 
> >if one continues to participate they will increase exponentially and
> >eventually one will answer surveys with all of the time they would spend
> >actually participating in open source software projects.
> >
> >We should round these kids up and get them to maybe create a student
> >survey information site.  They could do it as their own opensource
> >project and then collect the data they need from themselves ;-)
> >
> >-Andy
> =
> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 10:38, Gunes Koru wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Jakarta contributors,
> > 
> > I am conducting a survey about the way bugs are handled in open source
> > software projects. The survey includes questions that can be answered by
> > developers,testers, bug fixers, project managers, and owners of defect
> > databases. It is only and only for research purposes and it is very easy
> > to fill out. It consists of three short sections which can be completed 
> at
> > once or in different sessions. Please fill it out if you haven't done 
> yet.
> > You will find the questions interesting since there is a reason behind
> > each one one of them. They will make you think about how things work (or
> > could work)in your project. The survey can be found in the address:
> > 
> > http://www.seas.smu.edu/~gkoru/surveys/dhsurvey.html
> > 
> > The data in the bug databases can be used to identify the high risk 
> areas
> > in the software development. One of the ways of doing it is constructing
> > tree-based models, which could be very useful in open source projects. 
> If
> > you would like to read about it, I prepared a web page for you:
> > 
> > http://www.seas.smu.edu/~gkoru/surveys/tbdm1.html
> > 
> > Please accept my apologies if you receive duplicates of this e-mail. 
> This
> > is a survey, which will give useful results for all of us. I will try to
> > prepare and make some preliminary r