Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:42:25AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Hola all. Straight to the point, I'm proposing that the following files- arch.list categories use.desc use.local.desc package.mask updates Addition to this list: thirdpartymirrors . ~harring pgpvIGSGfwz7G.pgp Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Luis F. Araujo
Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 05:43:35PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: snip Re: not shoving work onto you, complicating your job, etc, I agree, and actually is what I was getting at in the badly worded section below My point is pretty simple, why should we spend a bunch

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On 08/29/05 Brian Harring wrote: On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 09:57:37AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: On 08/29/05 Brian Harring wrote: On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 08:17:39AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Don't mind moving them, BUT - metadata is a stupid location for them for several reasons

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 17:24 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Aside from that, the parent implementation could stand a tweak or two. Further, assuming metapkg goes through, virtual is obsoleted. The inclusion of GRP_STAGE23_USE also bugs me a bit; yes it works right now, but what happens when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 17:34 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Basically stating that if I want the minimal 2005.1 x86 profile to build my own server profile off of, I can't really use the existing default-linux/x86/2005.1 ; Ehh... There *is* no minimal 2005.1 profile. That has always been the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 20:42 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: No. *I* could not because *I* think it is a waste of time. I care about exactly one profile, in honesty, the one I use to build the release. If there were 10,000 other profiles, I wouldn't care. and *I* can't make a tree-wide server

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 01:03 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:42:25AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Hola all. Straight to the point, I'm proposing that the following files- arch.list categories use.desc use.local.desc package.mask updates Addition to this

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On 08/30/05 Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 01:03 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:42:25AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Hola all. Straight to the point, I'm proposing that the following files- arch.list categories use.desc

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposed shift of files in the tree of non profiles files into seperate dir

2005-08-30 Thread Francesco R
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 01:03 -0500, Brian Harring wrote: On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:42:25AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: Hola all. Straight to the point, I'm proposing that the following files- arch.list categories use.desc use.local.desc package.mask updates

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Shouldn't this fall under the x86 arch team rather than releng? The I'm sorry, but *what* x86 arch team? That's the point. Ciaran is just pointing out for the gazillionth time that x86 is an unsupported arch, if you go by the standards the other arches have to follow to be part of Gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Francesco R
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is this also a good time to note that the amd64 and x86 could *easily* be covered under the same keyword? We cover a large variety of mips machines/userlands under one keyword, with differences much more significant then that between x86 and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Is this also a good time to note that the amd64 and x86 could *easily* be covered under the same keyword? We cover a large variety of mips machines/userlands under one keyword, with differences much more significant then that between x86 and amd64. Sorry I disagree with this, differences

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Olivier Crete
On Tue, 2005-30-08 at 10:46 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Shouldn't this fall under the x86 arch team rather than releng? The I'm sorry, but *what* x86 arch team? That's the point. Ciaran is just pointing out for the gazillionth time that x86 is an unsupported arch, if you go by the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 17:01 +0200, Francesco R wrote: Is this also a good time to note that the amd64 and x86 could *easily* be covered under the same keyword? We cover a large variety of mips machines/userlands under one keyword, with differences much more significant then that between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Francesco R
Stephen P. Becker wrote: Is this also a good time to note that the amd64 and x86 could *easily* be covered under the same keyword? We cover a large variety of mips machines/userlands under one keyword, with differences much more significant then that between x86 and amd64. Sorry I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:46:20 +0200 Francesco R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never said this, I've a dual opteron running informix that can *only* run under a x86 environment. this is the profile for the main environment: make.profile - ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2005.0 and this

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Marco Morales (soulse)

2005-08-30 Thread Tom Martin
Hi list, Marco Morales is joining Gentoo to help with the netmon herd. He's known as soulse- on IRC. Marco is from Lima, Peru, is twenty-two years old and has just finished his System Engineer bachelor degree. He currently works for a networking company that uses Gentoo. Outside of computing, he

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 11:24 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Is this also a good time to note that the amd64 and x86 could *easily* be covered under the same keyword? We cover a large variety of mips machines/userlands under one keyword, with differences much more significant then that between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 30/8/2005 10:46:54, Stephen P. Becker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is this also a good time to note that the amd64 and x86 could *easily* be covered under the same keyword? The big reason I think, is that few x86 people have a clue about amd64. Contrast this with the mips team; I'd guess

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Alec Warner
Stephen P. Becker wrote: Shouldn't this fall under the x86 arch team rather than releng? The I'm sorry, but *what* x86 arch team? That's the point. Ciaran is just pointing out for the gazillionth time that x86 is an unsupported arch, if you go by the standards the other arches have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Luis Medinas
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 15:57 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: Stephen P. Becker wrote: Shouldn't this fall under the x86 arch team rather than releng? The I'm sorry, but *what* x86 arch team? That's the point. Ciaran is just pointing out for the gazillionth time that x86 is an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:15:18 + Luis Medinas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive the worse QA is in x86 and not in AMD64 and MIPS. Between AMD64 and x86 there's a lot of differences i.e. many packages in the tree that needs to be patched to work on AMD64 so we cannot cover AMD64/x86 under

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Olivier Crete
On Tue, 2005-30-08 at 21:40 +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:15:18 + Luis Medinas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive the worse QA is in x86 and not in AMD64 and MIPS. Between AMD64 and x86 there's a lot of differences i.e. many packages in the tree that needs to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:45:24 -0400 Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | And I dont think the QA is worst on x86.. Most herd devs are on x86 | and its their responsability to do their QA. QA needs coordination. Otherwise we end up with repeats of the Gnome not building on stable x86 for

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Marco Morales (soulse)

2005-08-30 Thread Andrés Pereira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Martin wrote: | Hi list, | | Marco Morales is joining Gentoo to help with the netmon herd. He's | known as soulse- on IRC. | Welcome aboard Marco :) - -- Andrés Pereira -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Olivier Crete
On Tue, 2005-30-08 at 21:56 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:45:24 -0400 Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | And I dont think the QA is worst on x86.. Most herd devs are on x86 | and its their responsability to do their QA. QA needs coordination. Otherwise we end up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:16:09 -0400 Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, 2005-30-08 at 21:56 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:45:24 -0400 Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | And I dont think the QA is worst on x86.. Most herd devs are on | | x86 and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:45:24 -0400 Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are comparing apples and oranges.. Most of the herd devs only have x86 and are not able to test amd64. That's the main difference. Most of the mips devs only have 64-bit big endian SGI hardware, and aren't able to

Re: [gentoo-dev] init.d-scripts don't see stuff from /etc/profile.env

2005-08-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 12:01 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 12:04, Roy Marples wrote: Um, that's kinda like behaviour by design unless anyone can tell me otherwise. /etc/env.d/* just set shell variables, so if you change one then you need to env-update

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] crap use flags in the profiles

2005-08-30 Thread Luis Medinas
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 16:45 -0400, Olivier Crete wrote: On Tue, 2005-30-08 at 21:40 +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:15:18 + Luis Medinas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive the worse QA is in x86 and not in AMD64 and MIPS. Between AMD64 and x86 there's a lot of

Re: [gentoo-dev] init.d-scripts don't see stuff from /etc/profile.env

2005-08-30 Thread Roy Marples
I just love replying to myself! On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 22:32 +0100, Roy Marples wrote: #!/bin/sh /bin/env -i \ CONSOLETYPE=${CONSOLETYPE} \ IN_BACKGROUND=${IN_BACKGROUND} \ IN_HOTPLUG=${IN_HOTPLUG} \ /lib/rcscripts/sh/runscript.sh $* A quick reboot shows we need much more.

[gentoo-dev] Re: init.d-scripts don't see stuff from /etc/profile.env

2005-08-30 Thread Sven Köhler
init.d scripts should have a pure env given to them ... which means, they should be run with `env -i` and have only whitelisted variables given to them (and everything that appears in /etc/conf.d/$service /etc/conf.d/rc and /etc/rc.conf) ... Now that may be too few variables. At least the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: init.d-scripts don't see stuff from /etc/profile.env

2005-08-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 09:41 pm, Sven Köhler wrote: init.d scripts should have a pure env given to them ... which means, they should be run with `env -i` and have only whitelisted variables given to them (and everything that appears in /etc/conf.d/$service /etc/conf.d/rc and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: init.d-scripts don't see stuff from /etc/profile.env

2005-08-30 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 21:57 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 30 August 2005 09:41 pm, Sven Köhler wrote: init.d scripts should have a pure env given to them ... which means, they should be run with `env -i` and have only whitelisted variables given to them (and everything that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: init.d-scripts don't see stuff from /etc/profile.env

2005-08-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 10:15 pm, Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 21:57 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 30 August 2005 09:41 pm, Sven Köhler wrote: init.d scripts should have a pure env given to them ... which means, they should be run with `env -i` and have only

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH: initial EAPI awareness

2005-08-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On 08/30/05 Brian Harring wrote: What's the point of using anyway? Simplicity in the code right now, since stable will *never* support anything but eapi0. It's an easy check. You really want to tell me that you consider if myeapi 0: as simpler than EAPI_COMPATIBLE=0 if myeapi

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH: initial EAPI awareness

2005-08-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On 08/29/05 Brian Harring wrote: Somebody care to split a masking patch for stable rather then the emerge modifications I did btw? I'm poking at ensuring an eapi=0 portage's generated eapi=1 cache entries are not used by an eapi=1 portage without a forced regeneration atm. Well, the

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH: initial EAPI awareness

2005-08-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 07:46:24PM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: On 08/29/05 Brian Harring wrote: That and the fact the 2.1 state should be decided, if we're going to have (effectively) two branches of development going at once, vs developmental line and maintenance branch. Well,