Re: [gentoo-dev] Manifest2 decision delayed

2006-02-11 Thread Alin Nastac
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:14:26 -0500 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Interesting, yes... but ebuilds are read by humans and it is necessary | to be comprehensible a lot more than the Manifest files are. Sure. But the comparison would show whether or not it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Simon Stelling
(I think it would be better if you could post the text on the list, so people can easier cite the paragraphs they are referring to.) I cite one situation which has actually led to system destruction: I was in need of a certain version of a library. A the moment I installed it initially, this

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Duncan
Grobian posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:39:38 +0100: I assume you meant to replace 'tuple' with 'segment'. First of all, I might be biased, as for me everything is a binary association table. However, I don't think a segment is the same in this case. 'part'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Marius Mauch
Klaus-J. Wolf wrote: Hi, I am new to this list, but I am not new to Gentoo. Would you please discuss a GLEP draft, which I believe it might improve the usability of Gentoo? Text at: http://www.seismic.de/gentoo/gentoo_mask_proposal.html Technical details still missing... Ignoring the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Manifest2 decision delayed

2006-02-11 Thread Duncan
Alin Nastac posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:38:05 +0200: When you have thousands of small files (1-4 blocks), the space saved by removing all unnecessary whitespaces is minimal at best. Of course, that depends on the filesystemm used... . -- Duncan - List

Re: [gentoo-dev] Manifest2 decision delayed

2006-02-11 Thread John Mylchreest
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:38:05AM +0200, Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you have thousands of small files (1-4 blocks), the space saved by removing all unnecessary whitespaces is minimal at best. Minimizing the number of files is another story. Unifying manifests with digest files

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Duncan
John Mylchreest posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:02:58 +: Duncan, you make some valid points but for the sake of ease for the rest of us, could you please try condense the mails down from several pages? :) I've been proud of myself, even managing a couple

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread John Mylchreest
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:09:07AM -0700, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duncan, you make some valid points but for the sake of ease for the rest of us, could you please try condense the mails down from several pages? :) I've been proud of myself, even managing a couple one-liners, lately.

[gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag deprecation = bashing my head against the wall

2006-02-11 Thread Jakub Moc
Reading the last two comments (Bug 106560) from devs who removed them from CC again makes my cry out loud in desperation. People, *please* read the two attachments I've posted there, and think again before stating something about fixed months ago etc. etc. :-(

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Grobian
On 11-02-2006 20:05:58 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:28:34 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | kfreebsd-gnu is, in effect, one example you're using already. You'd | have x86 as the arch, FreeBSD as the kernel and GNU as the userland. | | Yes, but you're actually

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:43 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ok. If we're on the same wave length here, then I think the real | question is here whether we do allow hyphens to be in the os part or | not. If yes, the part till the first hyphen is the arch, and | everything from the

[gentoo-dev] check-reqs conditionals

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
For those of you who don't know, check-reqs is an eclass that is occasionally used by a few packages that have ludicrously high build requirements. Typical examples have included anything using Haskell (the programming language with built-in memory leaks!) and certain C++ template metaprogamming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Klaus-J. Wolf wrote: http://www.seismic.de/gentoo/gentoo_mask_proposal.html * Manually keyword unmasking an ebuild, automatically means unmasking the last one in the line of masked versions. No. Use the = to unmask a specific version only. For example: =sys-apps/findutils-4.2.25

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:11:07 +0100 Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Klaus-J. Wolf wrote: | http://www.seismic.de/gentoo/gentoo_mask_proposal.html | |* Manually keyword unmasking an ebuild, automatically means | unmasking the last one in the line of masked versions. | |

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Eldad Zack
On Sunday 12 February 2006 02:09, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:38:53 +0200 Eldad Zack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Is this a quirk or intentional: | | # eselect kernel show | Current kernel symlink: | linux-2.6.14.3/ | | (notice the trailing slash there) Mmm. What's your

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:27:33 +0200 Eldad Zack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Mmm. What's your readlink? | | sys-apps/coreutils 5.2.1-r7 Looks like it depends upon how ln -s was invoked as to what readlink gives. Guess we'll have to work around that in a couple of places... -- Ciaran McCreesh :

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-libs/libpcap-ringbuffer

2006-02-11 Thread Markus Ullmann
If there aren't any objections, we (netmon herd) will hardmask this package in a week and delete it one week later. Removing is due to lack of required features for some popular apps and bug #117898. With this removal we also want to wipe out the virtual/libpcap. So if any of your ebuilds

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-libs/libpcap-ringbuffer

2006-02-11 Thread Markus Ullmann
If there aren't any objections, we (netmon herd) will hardmask this package in a week and delete it one week later. Removing is due to lack of required features for some popular apps and bug #117898. With this removal we also want to wipe out the virtual/libpcap. So if any of your ebuilds uses