Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites for app-mobilephone/openobex-apps

2006-04-17 Thread Alin Nastac
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 02:06:00AM +0300, Alin Nastac wrote: dev-libs/openobex-1.2 is now in the tree. Why did you p.mask openobex-apps before openobex-1.2 is stable? For forcing users to test openobex-1.2 ;) I think openobex-1.2 should be unmasked, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] New ebuild Developer: Christian Hartmann (ian!)

2006-04-17 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
Danny van Dyk wrote: It is my pleasure to announce publicly that ian! has passed all necessary quizzes to touch our holy gra^H^H^H portage tree. Ian - welcome :) -- Krzysiek Pawlik nelchael at gentoo.org key id: 0xBC51 desktop-misc, desktop-dock, x86, java, apache... signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Improving Gentoo User Relations

2006-04-17 Thread Volkov Peter
Hello. IMO the very important element of gentoo user relations that is absent at w.g.o is search field! Gentoo does not have good searching point. Each time I encounter bug/problem before asking for help if I'm a good boy I have to search for solution in different places: forums, mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites for app-mobilephone/openobex-apps

2006-04-17 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 09:19:38AM +0300, Alin Nastac wrote: Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: Why did you p.mask openobex-apps before openobex-1.2 is stable? For forcing users to test openobex-1.2 ;) I think openobex-1.2 should be unmasked, but I am waiting for ticho to actually do this. See

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites for app-mobilephone/openobex-apps

2006-04-17 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 11:21:29AM +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: Please solve this mess - don't package.mask openobex-apps until openobex-1.2 has the same KEYWORDS as openobex. ... as openobex-apps, of course. ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Metadistribution |

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last rites for app-mobilephone/openobex-apps

2006-04-17 Thread Alin Nastac
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 11:21:29AM +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: Please solve this mess - don't package.mask openobex-apps until openobex-1.2 has the same KEYWORDS as openobex. ... as openobex-apps, of course. ./Brix OK, I've removed the hard mask

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Simon Stelling
Donnie Berkholz wrote: We are working to ensure the dependencies work as smoothly as possible, but I expect there will be some issues since it's difficult to require updates to all these optional drivers following an update to the server. wouldn't ! atoms solve that problem? -- Kind Regards,

Re: [gentoo-dev] New ebuild Developer: Christian Hartmann (ian!)

2006-04-17 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 08:20:13PM -0400, Curtis Napier wrote: Congratulations Christian! :-) Congrats++ Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Stelling wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: We are working to ensure the dependencies work as smoothly as possible, but I expect there will be some issues since it's difficult to require updates to all these optional drivers following an update to the server. wouldn't ! atoms solve that

[gentoo-dev] Modular X: VIDEO_CARDS=ati moved to mach64, r128, radeon

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, By request, the ati VIDEO_CARDS setting has been split into three separate settings, one for each driver: Mach64/Rage XL (mach64), Rage128 (r128), and all Radeons (radeon). This will reduce build time on mesa, x11-drm, and kdrive (once I update it). It will also significantly reduce the

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Simon Stelling wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: We are working to ensure the dependencies work as smoothly as possible, but I expect there will be some issues since it's difficult to require updates to all these optional drivers following an update to the server.

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: Well the semantics of the blocker is that the new driver won't work with the old server; is that true? Or just the old drivers won't work with the new server? New server requires new drivers. Old server requires old drivers. There is no valid combination of new and old.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Thomas Cort (tcort)

2006-04-17 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2006-16-04 at 20:38 -0400, Thomas Cort wrote: Olivier Fisette wrote: Another dev from Québec city! Welcome to the team, Thomas. Thank you for the warm welcome. I'm actually in North Hatley (near Sherbrooke) in the province of Québec. Another Gentoo developer, deltacow, also lives

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Olivier Crête
On Mon, 2006-17-04 at 13:05 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Alec Warner wrote: Well the semantics of the blocker is that the new driver won't work with the old server; is that true? Or just the old drivers won't work with the new server? New server requires new drivers. Old server

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:19:48 -0700, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Stelling wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: We are working to ensure the dependencies work as smoothly as possible, but I expect there will be some issues since it's difficult to require updates to all these

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2006-17-04 at 13:05 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Alec Warner wrote: Well the semantics of the blocker is that the new driver won't work with the old server; is that true? Or just the old drivers won't work with the new server? New server requires new drivers.

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 17 April 2006 22:26, Olivier Crête wrote: Then you should probably has new drivers block old servers and new servers block old drivers... Better have new drivers depend on new server rather... -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/Alt lead,

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: What about a big PDEPEND in xorg-server-1.1 ebuild, with a bunch of video_cards_foobar? ( =x11-drivers/xf86-video-foobar-NewVersion )? That should be enough to force a smooth update of the video drivers after the server. And, the RDEPEND on video drivers could

[gentoo-dev] Re: xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Donnie Berkholz wrote: The drivers cannot be upgraded until a newer server is installed. So technically, this would allow things to work by forcing people to unmerge all their drivers before upgrading, then remerge the new versions. That's not a very desirable solution either, but do you think

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2006-17-04 at 13:05 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Alec Warner wrote: Well the semantics of the blocker is that the new driver won't work with the old server; is that true? Or just the old drivers won't work with the new server? New

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Alec Warner
A valid problem with this approach. Is requiring everyone to unmerge drivers a worse solution than breaking some people who emerged drivers directly? I very much dislike making people unmerge things. It's not intuitive for anyone, having to remove the old program to upgrade a dependency

[gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X: VIDEO_CARDS=ati moved to mach64, r128, radeon

2006-04-17 Thread Sven Köhler
Hi, The obvious symptom when you don't have any valid VIDEO_CARDS set will be that the xorg-x11 ebuild tries to pull in everything. Warnings or die()'s about this change are useless, they will be too late because all the drivers will have already been built at that point. but doesn't portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] Metabuild dependency types

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Sven Köhler wrote: Would it harm anything, if the drivers become a dependency of the second kind? It would mean that you could have the xorg-x11 metabuild installed and yet still not have a complete installation, if the emerge failed after it was installed. The question of what type of

[gentoo-dev] Re: Metabuild dependency types

2006-04-17 Thread Sven Köhler
Would it harm anything, if the drivers become a dependency of the second kind? It would mean that you could have the xorg-x11 metabuild installed and yet still not have a complete installation, if the emerge failed after it was installed. Yes, you're right. I missed that point.

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:43:32 -0700, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is requiring everyone to unmerge drivers a worse solution than breaking some people who emerged drivers directly? Depends how many people are on each side i guess. But here, i would expect really very few people to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: So imho, that's a lot of unlikely conditions one should join to end with broken drivers, and i don't think you should care too much about it. Thanks for your input. The ati -- {mach64,radeon,r128} change may make some of the above more likely to happen

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:48:07 -0700, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - at the opposite of the xorg-x11 meta ebuild, a pkg_setup check xorg-server (if hasq ati $VIDEO_CARDS; then eerror ...) makes sense, since it would die at the right time, before the drivers updates. FYI, the

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Outstanding decisions

2006-04-17 Thread Alec Warner
Simon Stelling wrote: Next bunch of bugs that need a decision: Bug: portage: emerge unmerge ... should stop in case of an error http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118515 Another WONTFIX/WILLFIX issue Bug: need a way to package.unmask packages in profiles

[gentoo-portage-dev] accessing portage updates through it's data structures

2006-04-17 Thread Tom Hosiawa
I'm writing a superkaramba theme for showing the current available updates on a system (www.tomek.ca for an example), but I'm having trouble parsing the list into seperate properties for each ebuild (package name, version, use flag). Right now, I'm trying get the ebuild information through