Re: [gentoo-dev] Purpose of USE=doc

2006-04-26 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:03:00 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see some clarification of intended doc use flag usage From what I've gleaned over time, USE=doc is supposed to enable docs that are one or more of: (1) large (2) take a significant amount of resource to build (3)

[gentoo-dev] Re: Purpose of USE=doc

2006-04-26 Thread Duncan
Jakub Moc posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:03:00 +0200: I'd like to see some clarification of intended doc use flag usage, so that we wouldn't force users to download/install 40+ megs of docs for a ~3 meg package, with the only reason being that USE=doc is for

[gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Kevin
Pasted from bugzilla. Please pardon the ugly newline formatting. I'm a longtime (10 yrs) Linux admin and I've been using Gentoo for perhaps 2 years and I'm super impressed with Gentoo, having gotten very annoyed with the rpm-based nightmare upgrade situation presented by most of the other

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 12:29 -0400, Kevin wrote: One thing that I'm pretty sure is currently not possible with portage, however, and that I'd definitely like to see as a part of this idea is a way of setting thresholds on version numbers of packages in portage such that the automated upgrade

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Kevin
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 12:29 -0400, Kevin wrote: One thing that I'm pretty sure is currently not possible with portage, however, and that I'd definitely like to see as a part of this idea is a way of setting thresholds on version numbers of packages in portage such that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Jean-Francois Gagnon Laporte
On 4/26/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I really want is to make the process of maintaining Gentoo boxes over the long term easier (IOW: less time-consuming) than is now true, by adding some functionality that AFAICT does not now exist which would allow me to automate some things,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 14:24 -0400, Kevin wrote: And unless I'm way off-base, the version-difference-threshold notion described above is not implemented in portage now. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. You're off-base. See, you can, for example, mask all revisions within the same

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Kevin
Jean-Francois Gagnon Laporte wrote: On 4/26/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I really want is to make the process of maintaining Gentoo boxes over the long term easier (IOW: less time-consuming) than is now true, by adding some functionality that AFAICT does not now exist which would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Kevin
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Honestly, I don't see portage ever being able to really support anything like this so long as the tree continues to change. It simply doesn't seem to be compatible with how Gentoo development is done. and Chris Gianelloni wrote: Yup. It's called

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
zing ! and with this post it's probably best to let this subthread die before we get any more offtrack -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] General flaming guidelines ;-)

2006-04-26 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 15:55 -0400, Kevin wrote: Which is it, Chris? You've taken that out of context ... Make up your mind... I think he has, but wasn't able to communicate his ideas to you in an adequte way For all the credit that I give to the Gentoo developers, you are one from whom I

[gentoo-dev] Re: Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Peter
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:30:35 -0400, Kevin wrote: Jean-Francois Gagnon Laporte wrote: On 4/26/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I really want is to make the process of maintaining Gentoo boxes over the long term easier (IOW: less time-consuming) than is now true, by adding some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Kevin
Thanks for your informative reply, Peter. I think I'll try your method for awhile. I'm sure it's less time consuming than my current method, if perhaps still not ideal, and although I do realize this idea may be an unattainable utopia, by Jean-Francois pointing me to glcu, I'm glad to see that

[gentoo-dev] Re: Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Duncan
Chris Gianelloni posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:27:38 -0400: I'm sorry, but do your friends call you Duncan? I'll leave it at that. Who, me? looks around No, safe to say, /not/ me. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program

[gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi All, Consider this both a rant and a GLEP pre-proposal. When we created the idea of herds back in the day, there was a clear distinction between a herd and a team (and a project). Over time, those definitions have become blurry. I would like emphasise: A herd is a group of like *packages*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Mark Loeser
Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Consider this both a rant and a GLEP pre-proposal. When we created the idea of herds back in the day, there was a clear distinction between a herd and a team (and a project). Over time, those definitions have become blurry. I would like emphasise:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Is there a reason for this besides the definitions not falling into place as they should? I'm not seeing a benefit from this to be honest. People refer to teams as herds a lot of the time. It has become a statement over time that people understand. I'm not sure why we want to try and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Daniel Goller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seemant Kulleen wrote: Is there a reason for this besides the definitions not falling into place as they should? I'm not seeing a benefit from this to be honest. People refer to teams as herds a lot of the time. It has become a statement over

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 26 April 2006 22:38, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. then you might as well just keep herd and discard team altogether -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing

[gentoo-dev] Version bumps, keywords and you

2006-04-26 Thread Jason Wever
Hello fellow developers, It's that time of the insert whatever works for you here where I send off an email reminding people on what not to do when bumping versions of packages when it comes to keywords. 1) Please do not drop arch keywords without notifying the arch teams of why (bugs are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 26 April 2006 22:38, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. then you might as well just keep herd and discard team altogether Yeah, pretty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-04-26 Thread Richard Fish
On 4/26/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to have the capability of being able to list some packages that should never be upgraded automatically (I realize I can do this to some degree already with portage), some others that are very unlikely to break from an automated upgrade

[gentoo-dev] Re: automatically killing invalid CFLAGS/warning about bad CFLAGS

2006-04-26 Thread R Hill
James Potts wrote: -fvisibility-inlines-hidden not only breaks a number of kde apps afaik (it's filtered now), Again, probably -fvisibility=hidden. Many people have had success building KDE with both flags enabled lately, so maybe that's something that could be revisited when 4.1 goes