Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:15:54 +0100 Fabio Rossi wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > Fabio Rossi wrote: > > > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote: > > >> Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could > > >> technically be used on/for other distributio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
Duncan wrote: > ... But IMO the entire debate is a bunch of bikeshedding, which implies > it's reasonably safe to assume the status quo is likely to remain. I agree. The proposal does not seem to offer any real improvement that would be noticeable either by end users or Gentoo developers. Looks l

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:21:45 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski wrote: > On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 16:57:12 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Gentoo does not comply with the FHS. It was established a long time > > ago that FHS is considered silly and any compliance is merely > > because the FHS people somehow

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 16:57:12 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Gentoo does not comply with the FHS. It was established a long time ago > that FHS is considered silly and any compliance is merely because the > FHS people somehow managed to avoid screwing that particular area up. Well, we're not

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:53:27 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski wrote: > On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 15:33:14 Fabio Rossi wrote: > > Ok, but at the end we have an exception in the tree > > (/var/lib/gentoo/news/) which is not justified (looking at the > > current discussion). My proposal has arisen after

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Wednesday 31 of December 2008 15:33:14 Fabio Rossi wrote: > Ok, but at the end we have an exception in the tree (/var/lib/gentoo/news/) > which is not justified (looking at the current discussion). My proposal has > arisen after having seen the /var/lib/gentoo/news/ hierarchy. Then it seems wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep-42-news: sparc multilib profile

2008-12-31 Thread Friedrich Oslage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josh Saddler schrieb: > Mmm, not so much. Documentation like this, that's so specific to one > particular architecture, would be better off in project documentation -- > that's (partly) why ya'll have project directories in the first place. > Otherwise

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > Fabio Rossi wrote: > > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote: > >> Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically be > >> used on/for other distributions and platforms as well. > > > > Yes, this is the theory but I th

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread schism
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:00:35PM +0100, Fabio Rossi wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > The same could be said about /var/lib/init.d, /var/lib/dhcp, > > /var/lib/iptables or several other packages that aren't hosted by > > Gentoo. In the other direction, if the pack

[gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Duncan
Jeremy Olexa posted 495b81ab.3040...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:28:59 -0600: > Fabio Rossi wrote: >> On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote: >> >>> Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically >>> be used on/for other distributions and plat

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Santiago M. Mola
El mié, 31-12-2008 a las 15:33 +0100, Fabio Rossi escribió: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > Well, the impact is about the same wether you want to change one or the > > other (btw, what about other admin tools on Gentoo, e.g. > > paludis/pkgcore, by your definition they'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > Well, the impact is about the same wether you want to change one or the > other (btw, what about other admin tools on Gentoo, e.g. > paludis/pkgcore, by your definition they'd also have to go > into /var/lib/gentoo, right?) Yes. So you don't th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Fabio Rossi wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote: Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically be used on/for other distributions and platforms as well. Yes, this is the theory but I think they'll be never ported to other distributions. sabayon doesn'

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:00:35 +0100 Fabio Rossi wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > The same could be said about /var/lib/init.d, /var/lib/dhcp, > > /var/lib/iptables or several other packages that aren't hosted by > > Gentoo. In the other direction, if the packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > The same could be said about /var/lib/init.d, /var/lib/dhcp, > /var/lib/iptables or several other packages that aren't hosted by > Gentoo. In the other direction, if the packages are eventually used on > other distributions/systems, should they

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:55:39 +0100 Fabio Rossi wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > Any reason for that? Aesthetics aren't a very compelling argument > > IMO, and the FHS also seems to favor the current layout (in my > > interpretation at least, as we're not really t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote: > Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically be > used on/for other distributions and platforms as well. Yes, this is the theory but I think they'll be never ported to other distributions. > Few/none of the other apps, rega

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Philip Webb wrote: > > /var/lib/eselect -- here > > /var/lib/gentoo/enews > > /var/lib/herdstat/ > > /var/lib/module-rebuild -- here > > /var/lib/portage -- here > > It looks neater & simpler to understand in the long run, > provided it doesn't break

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > Any reason for that? Aesthetics aren't a very compelling argument IMO, > and the FHS also seems to favor the current layout (in my > interpretation at least, as we're not really talking about > "inter-related applications" in technical terms).