[gentoo-dev] Libreoffice without sane?

2011-08-05 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
Hello. Today I discovered that libreoffice wants to install a dozen new dependencies. I understand that this is probably due to some modularization effort but I don't have a scanner and I don't plan to, so I am trying to hack the ebuild so sane can be enabled and disabled via an USE flag, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Marc Schiffbauer
* Robin H. Johnson schrieb am 05.08.11 um 02:46 Uhr: [...] That leaves the only reasonable solution as #2. In terms of minimal impact, I propose that we offer users with a static system an absolutely minimal initramfs, that _just_ mounts the required directories. No modules, no LVM, no MD, no

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote: * Robin H. Johnson schrieb am 05.08.11 um 02:46 Uhr: [...] That leaves the only reasonable solution as #2. In terms of minimal impact, I propose that we offer users with a static system an absolutely minimal initramfs,

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Marc Schiffbauer
* Rich Freeman schrieb am 05.08.11 um 14:42 Uhr: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote: * Robin H. Johnson schrieb am 05.08.11 um 02:46 Uhr: [...] That leaves the only reasonable solution as #2. In terms of minimal impact, I propose that we offer users

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Matthew Summers
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote: * Robin H. Johnson schrieb am 05.08.11 um 02:46 Uhr: [...] That leaves the only reasonable solution as #2. In terms of minimal impact, I propose that

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 08/05/2011 04:12 PM, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: * Rich Freeman schrieb am 05.08.11 um 14:42 Uhr: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote: * Robin H. Johnson schrieb am 05.08.11 um 02:46 Uhr: [...] That leaves the only reasonable solution as #2. In terms of

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Summers quantumsumm...@gentoo.org wrote: In point of fact all modern Linux kernels have an initramfs built in now, that when empty is effectively bypassed, so there is no wheel reinvention. To quote the docs [1] Yes, but that embedded initramfs doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 08:25:19AM -0500, Matthew Summers wrote: This, at least to me, seems like an excellent opportunity to nicely document what can be done with an initramfs (in basic and advanced forms, as there are some really fancy things one can do with initramfs's), and how Gentoo is

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:57:08AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: In any case, as long as a solution exists for md+lvm+luks+/usr before we start breaking more stuff than is already broken, then we should be fine. Having more than one optional solution is fine. While I don't think that gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread William Hubbs
Hi, my knowledge of booting from an initramfs is limited right now, so keep that in mind. However, I will attempt to answer some of your questions. On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:06:48PM +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: I'm all in favor of documenting what an initramfs does (or at least what it is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-05 Thread DarKRaveR
Historically those DIRs contained all utils/tools to manage the system and fix problems etc. when you are unable to get /usr up, i.e. when it's remote. The rootfs basically contained all the core system-tools minus all the apps, which usually were managed centrally. With bbox of course one could

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:42 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:06:48PM +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: How does the tool that creates an initramfs know which files to copy from /usr and /var anyhow?  My understanding is that nothing gets copied from /usr and

[gentoo-dev] Re: /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:04:50 -0400 as excerpted: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:42 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:06:48PM +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: How does the tool that creates an initramfs know which files to copy from /usr and

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread William Hubbs
Hi Rich, On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:04:50PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:42 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:06:48PM +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: How does the tool that creates an initramfs know which files to copy from /usr and

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-05 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:37 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi Rich, On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:04:50PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:42 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:06:48PM +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: How does