Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-09 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 17:35:08 -0400 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:10:02 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:49:25 +0200 René Neumann li...@necoro.eu wrote: Hi all, I'd like just to receive a short clarification

Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-09 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:40:29 +0200 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2012, 22:10:02 schrieb Michał Górny: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:49:25 +0200 René Neumann li...@necoro.eu wrote: Hi all, I'd like just to receive a short clarification about the

Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:40:29 +0200 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: A lot of (inheriting eclasses and) packages depend on features provided by base.eclass (e.g., PATCHES), which are pretty neat and which I would sorely miss. So I would certainly object to deprecating base.eclass,

Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 07/08/2012 11:10 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:49:25 +0200 René Neumann li...@necoro.eu wrote: Hi all, I'd like just to receive a short clarification about the 'status' of base.eclass: Is this eclass expected to be available everywhere, i.e. should each eclass make sure it

Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:21:21 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: yet base.eclass supports arguments for base_src_install passed to 'make install' and council voted against moving this to the PM so what ciaranm said is very true, people just refuse to let it become useless

Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:39:38 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 17:35:08 -0400 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:10:02 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:49:25 +0200 René Neumann

Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-09 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/09/2012 08:45 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:40:29 +0200 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2012, 22:10:02 schrieb Michał Górny: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:49:25 +0200 René Neumann

[gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
After a little discussion in bug 425016 [1], I did an experiment. I created a fresh Gentoo install, set the profile to desktop/kde, and tried to emerge chromium and kde-meta. The immediate response was for portage to suggest setting -u and -N due to conflicts. So, I tried emerge -puDNv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: It also seems like the current portage output is giving the user some contradictory and counterproductive advice. It seems like there are really only two possible choices 1. The user could choose to not install chromium. 2. The user could enable icu for qt-webkit. Do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: It also seems like the current portage output is giving the user some contradictory and counterproductive advice. It seems like there are really only two possible choices 1. The user could choose to not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: It also seems like the current portage output is giving the user some contradictory and counterproductive advice. It seems like there

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: It shouldn't require *too* much modification to automate what you're trying to test. I intend to modify it to work in chroot environments, as a prelude to some build-related bug reports I'm sitting on. Thanks - seems useful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Thanks - seems useful in general. Not sure I'll use it for this - a chroot should be adequate to test this (I don't intend to actually run KDE), and is much more efficient with CPU/RAM/etc. Liberté Linux build scripts do a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-ftp/netkit-tftp

2012-07-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 08-07-2012 a las 21:06 -0400, Anthony G. Basile escribió: On 07/08/2012 08:57 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:29:35 +0200 Pacho Ramospa...@gentoo.org wrote: El dom, 08-07-2012 a las 21:49 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió: Il 08/07/2012 20:13, Chí-Thanh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-ftp/netkit-tftp

2012-07-09 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: I thought it has a replacement, if not, ok to keep It has a replacement for probably 95% of its users; hopefully Robin and Anthony can figure out why those 5% (random number of course) is not able to use tftp-hpa; once we do

Re: [gentoo-dev] euscan GSoC project - requesting feedback

2012-07-09 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On Monday 09 July 2012 23:41:06 you wrote: The main question is: what would you like to have on this dashboard? Currently (in the development version) there's the possibility to login and watch/unwatch packages/categories/herds/... and see the watched stuff in the account dashboard. We're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Zac Medico
On 07/09/2012 07:02 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: Is there any way for portage to figure out that one of those is the eventual outcome, and then direct the user to the minimal changes to accomplish either? You could try a larger emerge --backtrack setting. If it doesn't settle on a sensible

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I'll test it out on a fresh install, but that will take a number of hours If I install chromium first, I get the following messages when I try to install kde-meta: The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Zac Medico
On 07/09/2012 05:42 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I'll test it out on a fresh install, but that will take a number of hours If I install chromium first, I get the following messages when I try to install kde-meta: The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Zac Medico
On 07/09/2012 05:58 PM, Zac Medico wrote: On 07/09/2012 05:42 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I'll test it out on a fresh install, but that will take a number of hours If I install chromium first, I get the following messages when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: Not unless the --complete-graph option is enabled. What I'd like to do is to automatically enable --complete-graph mode whenever the USE of an installed package would change. It would be like that --complete-graph-if-new-ver

Re: [gentoo-dev] euscan GSoC project - requesting feedback

2012-07-09 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:04:15 +0200 Agostino Sarubbo a...@gentoo.org wrote: I proposed to have an 'integration' between euscan and pybugz. Sounds superficially like a giant security hole / spam gateway. What kind of integration are we talking about? In this manner everyone can file a version

Re: [gentoo-dev] euscan GSoC project - requesting feedback

2012-07-09 Thread Kent Fredric
On 10 July 2012 13:28, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:04:15 +0200 Agostino Sarubbo a...@gentoo.org wrote: I proposed to have an 'integration' between euscan and pybugz. Sounds superficially like a giant security hole / spam gateway. What kind of integration are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Zac Medico
On 07/09/2012 06:11 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: Not unless the --complete-graph option is enabled. What I'd like to do is to automatically enable --complete-graph mode whenever the USE of an installed package would change. It

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 10:56 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: I don't have a copy of the message but when I got the update to qt-webkit the message was fairly cryptic when it added the !icu? dependency on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: There have already been users on the forums with that very confusion of what to do with the cryptic [!icu?]. And there are currently many forum threads involving the icu use flag, qt-webkit,... Yup, this issue hit anybody