Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Ben de Groot
On 25 July 2012 02:52, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: While I completely understand where Fabian is coming from on all this I respectfully disagree. Long term gentoo users do NOT read the handbook, ever. I still install new systems with odd hacks that I picked up when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 01:15:43PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I think a news item is reasonable here (in addition to the above). Most users don't know about the move from /etc/make.conf to /etc/portage/make.conf. After this change, there will be a gradually-increasing need to know that a

[gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Duncan
Sven Vermeulen posted on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:05:02 + as excerpted: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 01:15:43PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I think a news item is reasonable here (in addition to the above). Most users don't know about the move from /etc/make.conf to /etc/portage/make.conf. After

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 20:55 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42:31AM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote man 5 portage about files in /etc/portage make.conf The global custom settings for Portage. See make.conf(5). If present, this file will over??? ride

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/24/2012 04:30 PM, W. Trevor King wrote: Hmm, are the manuals versioned with a public interface (git clone …/handbook.git)? That would make finding new gems in the manual much easier. Yes, yes they are.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/24/2012 04:19 PM, Michael Mol wrote: Another user opinion...it would be a significant improvement to the stage images and live discs to include the latest copy of the handbook, so that a network connection isn't required to access it. But

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Aaron W. Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/24/2012 04:19 PM, Michael Mol wrote: Another user opinion...it would be a significant improvement to the stage images and live discs to include the latest copy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/07/12 05:13 PM, Brian Harring wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 04:32:00PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: I've often seen cases like these handled by keeping a referenced file where it's traditionally expected to be found, but leaving a comment

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/07/12 08:55 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42:31AM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote man 5 portage about files in /etc/portage make.conf The global custom settings for Portage. See make.conf(5). If present, this file

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25-07-2012 13:29, Michael Mol wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Aaron W. Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/24/2012 04:19 PM, Michael Mol wrote: Another user opinion...it would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25-07-2012 13:29, Michael Mol wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Aaron W. Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/25/2012 10:27 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 25-07-2012 13:29, Michael Mol wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Aaron W. Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/24/2012

Re: [gentoo-dev] DESCRIPTION in eclasses

2012-07-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 19 July 2012 02:57:09 Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Many eclasses (eutils being the most prominent example) contain: DESCRIPTION=Based on the ${ECLASS} eclass Is this of any use? The reason that sort of thing is there is because in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Don't require assignment of empty variables in ebuilds?

2012-07-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 18 July 2012 13:53:37 Ulrich Mueller wrote: Our current policy [1] requires that ebuilds must assign the seven variables DESCRIPTION, HOMEPAGE, SRC_URI, LICENSE, SLOT, KEYWORDS, and IUSE, even if their value is empty. Could we drop this requirement? Repoman already enforces that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Don't require assignment of empty variables in ebuilds?

2012-07-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Mike Frysinger wrote: Our current policy [1] requires that ebuilds must assign the seven variables DESCRIPTION, HOMEPAGE, SRC_URI, LICENSE, SLOT, KEYWORDS, and IUSE, even if their value is empty. Could we drop this requirement? Repoman already enforces that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Don't require assignment of empty variables in ebuilds?

2012-07-25 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 25-07-2012 a las 18:38 +0200, Ulrich Mueller escribió: [...] The single exception to this is IUSE, which is required to be present in an ebuild even if it's empty. Maybe we should drop this requirement, too. +1 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Don't require assignment of empty variables in ebuilds?

2012-07-25 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/25/2012 12:56 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mié, 25-07-2012 a las 18:38 +0200, Ulrich Mueller escribió: [...] The single exception to this is IUSE, which is required to be present in an ebuild even if it's empty. Maybe we should drop this

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROMs category suggestion

2012-07-25 Thread Kent Fredric
On 22 July 2012 16:12, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote: I've got a few ROMs to add to the tree and some which are already in the tree if people have a suggestion where they should live. Short list: ipxe openbios seabios sgabios vgabios -- Doug Goldstein I just noticed that the

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROMs category suggestion

2012-07-25 Thread Kent Fredric
On 23 July 2012 08:48, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: A fair point, suggestion retracted. I'm on board with sys-firmware as well, but I do see some advantage of the current way of putting the firmware in the category of what it is for... If you wanted, you could do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Don't require assignment of empty variables in ebuilds?

2012-07-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:38:05 +0200 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Mike Frysinger wrote: Our current policy [1] requires that ebuilds must assign the seven variables DESCRIPTION, HOMEPAGE, SRC_URI, LICENSE, SLOT, KEYWORDS, and IUSE, even if their value is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Don't require assignment of empty variables in ebuilds?

2012-07-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 25 July 2012 12:38:05 Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Mike Frysinger wrote: Our current policy [1] requires that ebuilds must assign the seven variables DESCRIPTION, HOMEPAGE, SRC_URI, LICENSE, SLOT, KEYWORDS, and IUSE, even if their value is empty. Could we

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROMs category suggestion

2012-07-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Kent Fredric wrote: In short, Yay, thanks for sys-firmware, I look forward to it not being an empty category We could create a category metadata file. ;) Is the following O.K.: The sys-firmware category contains various firmware and microcode. Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] ROMs category suggestion

2012-07-25 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Kent Fredric schrieb: On 23 July 2012 08:48, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: A fair point, suggestion retracted. I'm on board with sys-firmware as well, but I do see some advantage of the current way of putting the firmware in the category of what it is for... If you