Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Markos Chandras
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2012 14:56:11 Ben Kohler wrote: I would like to suggest that the server profile variants (ie default/linux/amd64/10.0/server) be unlisted from profiles.desc, so that they do not show up in eselect

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Markos Chandras
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 03:22:17PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote sounds like something to fix rather than punt. i don't know why you think having server profiles is undesirable, but i certainly desire it on many systems.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: +1. I want these profiles to *staty*. I am using this profile on my home boxes. It is the most minimal profile as the rest of the profiles pull in too much useless stuff. What is wrong with these profiles anyway?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Markos Chandras
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: +1. I want these profiles to *staty*. I am using this profile on my home boxes. It is the most minimal profile as the rest of the profiles pull in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] python-r1 + distutils-r1, v2 (+ comparison)

2012-10-12 Thread Reinis Danne
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 05:16:05PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, This is the second and hopefully last version of python-r1 + distutils-r1 eclasses before committing. I would also like to shortly point out the goals and the differences between various python eclasses in Gentoo. Both

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-12 Thread Ralph Sennhauser
From time to time the topic of deprecating EAPIs comes up and usually one suggestion is to keep 0 and start with converting EAPI 1 ebuilds. Then someone comes along and asks what is the point? Indeed, a fair question. The following tries to take a different approach to the topic. It's not all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH/RFC] eclass/flag-o-matic.eclass: prepend-ldpath

2012-10-12 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On 10/11/2012 2:40 PM, Marien Zwart wrote: I'm going to do something potentially rude and comment on this without having read the entire thread. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Gregory M. Turner g...@malth.us wrote: Anyhow one thing I have figured out is how things can work correctly on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On 10/11/2012 3:31 PM, Ben Kohler wrote: There are other ways to achieve a lighter system, but that's not really what this is about. The server profiles are not any lighter than the base profiles. To those in favor of keeping some kind of server profile around, how would it differ from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] python-r1 + distutils-r1, v2 (+ comparison)

2012-10-12 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:35:44 +0300 Reinis Danne rei4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 05:16:05PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, This is the second and hopefully last version of python-r1 + distutils-r1 eclasses before committing. I would also like to shortly point out

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Sergey Popov
11.10.2012 23:22, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2012 14:56:11 Ben Kohler wrote: I would like to suggest that the server profile variants (ie default/linux/amd64/10.0/server) be unlisted from profiles.desc, so that they do not show up in eselect profile list for new users. As

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote: Indeed. Hardened server profile does not fit in all cases, some non-hardened server profile should exist, BUT without this warning(if it's usable, of course), and probably with better support. Well, support is mainly a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: +1. I want these profiles to *staty*. I am using this profile on my home boxes. It is the most minimal profile as the rest of the profiles pull in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Ben Kohler
This is why I said that the server profile are no lighter than the base. It's actually the base PLUS snmp truetype xml. My original suggestion of hiding or removing the server profiles was based on the assumption that no one wants to maintain it. The server profiles *in their current state* are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: removing server profile variants from profiles.desc

2012-10-12 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
Markos Chandras schrieb am 12.10.2012 10:08: +1. I want these profiles to *staty*. I am using this profile on my home boxes. It is the most minimal profile as the rest of the profiles pull in too much useless stuff. What is wrong with these profiles anyway? If you want a minimal profile

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:53:15PM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote From time to time the topic of deprecating EAPIs comes up and usually one suggestion is to keep 0 and start with converting EAPI 1 ebuilds. Then someone comes along and asks what is the point? Indeed, a fair question. It's my

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:38:06 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:53:15PM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote From time to time the topic of deprecating EAPIs comes up and usually one suggestion is to keep 0 and start with converting EAPI 1 ebuilds. Then

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-12 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/10/12 04:38 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:53:15PM +0200, Ralph Sennhauser wrote From time to time the topic of deprecating EAPIs comes up and usually one suggestion is to keep 0 and start with converting EAPI 1 ebuilds.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-12 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 16:38 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: It's my understanding that higher EAPI levels include more features. How backwards compatable are the EAPI levels? I.e. assume that we take an ebuild with EAPI 0, and slap in EAPI=1 (or 2 or 3, etc) at the top, without any other changes.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages.

2012-10-12 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:53:15 +0200 Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote: The EAPI=0 requirement comes from having to provide an update path for systems with a package manager without EAPI support. By now we are talking about really ancient systems and it's questionable if there is any merit