I'll start answering from the last point since it explains
the remaining answers. Sorry for the shuffle.
On Tue, 14 May 2013 10:41:27 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 05/10/2013 09:45 AM, Ralph Sennhauser wrote:
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Systemd#Unit_Files
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained
state? openrc-settingsd was the first thing that we as Gentoo
developers (Pacho?) had to write in
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote:
And (and!) how does all this fit together with eudev? If the idea is
to either put logind in udev (thus, not creating a separate logind
ebuild), it means that eudev is already a dead end for GNOME users,
unless the eudev
El mié, 15-05-2013 a las 15:41 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained
state? openrc-settingsd was
On 15 May 2013 21:41, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote:
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained
state? openrc-settingsd was the
Hi,
I was recently investigating what cpu flags do I have and how does it
work. I have put what I have so far at [1].
So I thought I let you know in case someone wants to chip in.
[1] https://github.com/yaccz/cufd
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On 15/05/13 10:16 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 15 May 2013 21:41, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote:
And (and!) how does all this fit together with eudev? If the idea
is to either put logind in udev (thus, not creating a separate
logind
On 05/15/2013 03:41 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained
state? openrc-settingsd was the first thing
On 05/15/2013 05:03 PM, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 05/15/2013 03:41 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained
On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:10:03 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
- those not using the latest glibc (and maybe uclibc)
Did you test this? Are there more specific details regarding this?
Which version don't work? Is it known why?
- those not using a recent linux kernel
It works on
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:10:03 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
- those not using the latest glibc (and maybe uclibc)
Did you test this? Are there more specific details regarding this?
Which version don't work?
On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:03:13 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 05/15/2013 03:41 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
... GNOME ...
And given that the end-plan according to the guys is to kill the
distributions shall we just close Gentoo now?
Let's not exaggerate things, there are a
On Wed, 15 May 2013 13:25:11 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Don't take it personally or as an attack on systemd. I think he was
just pointing out that there are many use cases where systemd may not
be
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 13:25:11 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
In any case, there really isn't any decision to make here.
Then for what purpose is this discussion still going on?
No comment on that...
Maybe
On Fri, 3 May 2013 17:54:36 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Let's assume that all libtool files have a consistent format and contain
a line stating 'shouldnotlink=(yes|no)'. We use that to distinguish
modules from libraries, so we can as well use it to validate the .la
file to
On Wed, 1 May 2013 22:42:05 +0200
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
To make this more friendly, I would likely to locally introduce
'edefault' function in the eclass (name can change). The function would
-- similarly to 'default' in regular phase functions -- call
the default code for the
El mié, 15-05-2013 a las 15:02 -0400, Rich Freeman escribió:
[...]
No comment on that...
Maybe another way of saying things is that really the onus is on those
who want others to change their behavior to explain why they should
change. So, if you're seeking a change in behavior be up-front
The 'userland_*' flags have proven not good enough to determine
the availability of lock helpers. Fabian provided a nice portable
locking code instead.
Fixes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466554
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gx86/eclass/multibuild.eclass | 29 +++--
1 file changed, 15
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On 15/05/13 17:10, Luca Barbato wrote:
Those that can't use systemd: - those not using a recent linux
kernel
And let's not forget those who aren't using Linux at all.
- --
Alexander
alexan...@plaimi.net
http://plaimi.net/~alexander
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:56:21 +0200
Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.net wrote:
On 15/05/13 17:10, Luca Barbato wrote:
Those that can't use systemd: - those not using a recent linux
kernel
And let's not forget those who aren't using Linux at
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 03:41:31PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained
state? openrc-settingsd was
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
Question... when Sun made OpenOffice depend on Java (also a Sun
product) did Gentoo developers run around suggesting that Java be made a
part of the core Gentoo base system? I don't think so. If a user wants
to run GNOME badly
On 05/15/13 16:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:56:21 +0200
Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.net wrote:
On 15/05/13 17:10, Luca Barbato wrote:
Those that can't use systemd: - those not using a recent linux
kernel
And let's not forget those who aren't using Linux at all.
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 06:38:14PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
It will probably be more than a decade before anybody is FORCED to run
systemd on Gentoo. You don't even have to run udev on Gentoo.
It will probably be years before the default even changes, assuming
the trajectory of systemd
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:16:01PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
We don't control upstreams, but we still have choices. At this point I
only see Gnome and udev upstreams who are forcing their users to use
systemd. (There may be other projects too that I'm not aware of.)
Udev doesn't force
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:56:21PM +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
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On 15/05/13 17:10, Luca Barbato wrote:
Those that can't use systemd: - those not using a recent linux
kernel
And let's not forget those who aren't using Linux at all.
I'm
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:18:13PM -0400, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 03:41:31PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is
On 05/15/13 19:27, William Hubbs wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:16:01PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
We don't control upstreams, but we still have choices. At this point I
only see Gnome and udev upstreams who are forcing their users to use
systemd. (There may be other projects too that I'm
On 05/15/13 20:20, William Hubbs wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:18:13PM -0400, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 03:41:31PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Rafael Goncalves Martins
rafaelmart...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Hans de Graaff gra...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hi,
I thought I already dropped maintainership of this package a long time
ago, since I haven't been using fastcgi for ages,
On 05/15/2013 08:41 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're
currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the
features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained
state? openrc-settingsd was the first thing
Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 15 May 2013 10:01:57 -0400 as excerpted:
Gentoo is about choice, but that doesn't mean that every developer has
to support every possible choice on every package.
++
Eudev not working with gnome is not a reason to hold back either
project. Not every option in
Hi,
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org:
libnotify is only a fraction of the supported notification means of
said plugin in Claws.
Is the remaining fraction usable without libnotify on Gentoo?
Yes.
Regards
V-Li
--
Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project
On 05/15/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:03:13 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 05/15/2013 03:41 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
... GNOME ...
And given that the end-plan according to the guys is to kill the
distributions shall we just close Gentoo now?
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