Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 01:05 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: It is my opinion that the news reading application need not be integrated into portage. As far as I have understood it, the only real thing that anyone has required portage itself to do is to *automatically* spit out You have $n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 13:39 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 12 November 2005 07:19, Stuart Herbert wrote: When we have emerge --news done, I keep seeing references to emerge --news but at the same time am seeing that news readers are external. What exactly is `emerge --news` meant

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-12 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 13 November 2005 00:34, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 13:39 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 12 November 2005 07:19, Stuart Herbert wrote: When we have emerge --news done, I keep seeing references to emerge --news but at the same time am seeing that news

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-12 Thread Grobian
Jason Stubbs wrote: To be honest, this is the part that I don't like the most. Integrating code into portage to copy files here and there based on some predefined rules and news readers reading and renaming files based on some predefined rules... A filesystem based API just doesn't seem very

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Grobian
On 10-11-2005 20:55:37 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: Ok, you want a reaction, because you are Feeling Blue[1], right. On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:11 +0100, Grobian wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up for things. Doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Tres Melton
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 10:03 +0100, Grobian wrote: On 10-11-2005 20:55:37 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: I am just in the opinion that we lack a system where users can find the information they need. That would help a certain type of users, absolutely not all of them. So yes, after that,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 10:03 +0100, Grobian wrote: Ok, you want a reaction, because you are Feeling Blue[1], right. The only reaction I want is for us to meet the goals that I have set out, instead of trying to move those goals. You describe here (and in your diary) the aim to reach 100% of our

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 12 November 2005 07:19, Stuart Herbert wrote: When we have emerge --news done, I keep seeing references to emerge --news but at the same time am seeing that news readers are external. What exactly is `emerge --news` meant to do? Print out You've got news!? Manage some external

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Duncan
Georgi Georgiev posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:27:47 +0900: maillog: 11/11/2005-05:48:50(-0700): Duncan types Perhaps $PORTDIR/news, with seen and unseen subdirs (and appropriate no-sync settings on the subdirs) Remember that $PORTDIR can be shared

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-10 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:11 +0100, Grobian wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up for things. Doesn't matter. I think it does. I believe that is the root cause of our difficulty in getting news to our users. We rely on our

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Duncan
John Myers posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:18:33 -0800: On Sunday 06 November 2005 13:38, Duncan wrote: I don't believe the apache upgrade issues were announced on the announce list. For the record, it was sent to the announce list on 2004-12-24.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:47:47 +: On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:38:47 -0700 Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | While I agree with the point you make, I don't believe the apache | upgrade issues were announced on the announce list. The news

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:32:38 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | So, what list should the user that wants to receive those | **important** messages sign up to? That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up for things. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Anti-XML,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Daniel Ostrow
[snip] After going through the list, I got the impression there is simply no place where such messages clearly would go. gentoo-announce sounds as the best option to go for, but its description somehow suggests not. Though, subscribed to gentoo-announce means you get nothing but GLSA

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Grobian
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:32:38 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | So, what list should the user that wants to receive those | **important** messages sign up to? That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up for things. Doesn't matter. If the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Daniel Ostrow
[snip] After going through the list, I got the impression there is simply no place where such messages clearly would go. gentoo-announce sounds as the best option to go for, but its description somehow suggests not. Though, subscribed to gentoo-announce means you get nothing but GLSA

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 14:02 -0500, Daniel Ostrow wrote: [snip] After going through the list, I got the impression there is simply no place where such messages clearly would go. gentoo-announce sounds as the best option to go for, but its description somehow suggests not. Though,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:11:23 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Besides that, I see no arguments why users don't. No proof either. Have a look at how amazingly well certain recent upgrades have gone... | Forcing a push-based method on someone who likes pull-based methods | is evil. The

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 Critical News Reporting Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Jakub Moc
7.11.2005, 20:11:23, Grobian wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:32:38 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | So, what list should the user that wants to receive those | **important** messages sign up to? That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't