Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Francesco Riosa
Nick Devito wrote: It wouldn't be a hard task to accomplish (to put the sources on the mirrors), since *most* of the source is already on the mirrors in some form or another. We could make an option when downloading the livecd to either download ones with the sources included, or without, and,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:59 -0400, Patrick McLean wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 11:12 +, Duncan wrote: For example, if we hand out CDs at conventions etc, we would have to also hand out source CDs. As my reply there, however, Gentoo does still have it better

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be made to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the binary one? Just make a cd with all the distfiles used in the ISO, and keep the source

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 15:43 -0400, Patrick McLean wrote: No it's not a trivial amount, but it's also important that we comply with the licenses of the software that we distribute. I think that storing a gig or two extra on the mirrors (or more on the mirrors that archive /historical) is fairly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 09:00:29AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be made to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the binary one? Just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 14:15 -0600, Nick Devito wrote: It wouldn't be a hard task to accomplish (to put the sources on the mirrors), since *most* of the source is already on the mirrors in some form or another. We could make an option when downloading the livecd to either download ones with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 22:31 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Incidentally, the sources don't have to be on all the mirrors, assuming that's a problem at all. We could supply just one source server and rate-limit it; after all over the long term very few people will actually need to retrieve source

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Lance Albertson
Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 09:00:29AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be made to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 09:00 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be made to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the binary one? Just make a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: We can simply burn them all to a DVD and put an offer on the CD on how to get the sources, then distribute it for the cost of the DVD/shipping. Another idea would be to put the CD/DVD/whatever on the store, with 0 mark-up. That would mean we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 15:59 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: It would be enough, regularily burning not yet archived tarballs on an CD and collecting them in some box where they can be catched if someone requests it. This should be done by several people, so in case of disk errors, fire, dead,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 08:38:42AM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 09:00:29AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Patrick McLean
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Anyway, I really am starting to like the DVD available via the store idea more and more, as it only means Release Engineering needs to do a little extra work, and it requires no extra work for our mirrors or Infrastructure team. The source DVD sounds like a great

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Lance Albertson
Brian Harring wrote: don't see why we need to have a public system setup as long as we can provide the source when asked. As far as a I know, the GPL doesn't dicate that we have to provide the sources in an internet media form. They just need to be available when requested. Perhaps we can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:04:08AM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Brian Harring wrote: don't see why we need to have a public system setup as long as we can provide the source when asked. As far as a I know, the GPL doesn't dicate that we have to provide the sources in an internet media

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Lance Albertson
Brian Harring wrote: That said, y'all _should_ have a fairly vanilla base configuration across all servers (base kernel config, firewalling, grsec config, etc). Further, y'all were running lighttpd last I knew- so y'all should be tracking it for securities concerns already... and this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Curtis Napier
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 09:00 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: [snip] Anyway, I really am starting to like the DVD available via the store idea more and more, as it only means Release Engineering needs to do a little extra work, and it requires no extra work for our

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Jakub Moc
Curtis Napier wrote: If it's decided to go with this idea I think we should mark it up a little, even if it's only a dollar or two. People actually don't mind paying a little if it's going to go towards helping Gentoo. We get tons of threads asking about donating in the forums so this would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Mike Doty
Jakub Moc wrote: [snip] 3. b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution , a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Joshua Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jakub Moc wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: If it's decided to go with this idea I think we should mark it up a little, even if it's only a dollar or two. People actually don't mind paying a little if it's going to go towards helping Gentoo. We get

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 13:04 -0400, Curtis Napier wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 09:00 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: [snip] Anyway, I really am starting to like the DVD available via the store idea more and more, as it only means Release Engineering needs to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 08:51 -0700, Brian Harring wrote: Every few months is a rough rate going by memory at 8:30am. Not huge, but as said, if need to provide access to gpl'd sources for bin (not just releng cds btw, people are forgetting we have precompiled pkgs in the tree also), it _is_

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-04 Thread Patrick McLean
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 11:12 +, Duncan wrote: For example, if we hand out CDs at conventions etc, we would have to also hand out source CDs. As my reply there, however, Gentoo does still have it better than most, in that the LiveCDs contain relatively few

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-04 Thread Nick Devito
It would *probably* be easier to take the /usr/portage/distfiles directory and pop that on a CD, or, have the option of putting those files in a directory on the livecd. It shouldn't be too hard to do, however, it would take up more space on the CD. On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 11:59 -0400, Patrick

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-04 Thread Patrick McLean
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be made to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the binary one? Just make a cd with all the distfiles used in the ISO, and keep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-04 Thread Nick Devito
It wouldn't be a hard task to accomplish (to put the sources on the mirrors), since *most* of the source is already on the mirrors in some form or another. We could make an option when downloading the livecd to either download ones with the sources included, or without, and, include links to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-04 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:34:01 +0300 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be made to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the binary one? Just make a cd with all the distfiles used in the ISO,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-02 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 11:12 +, Duncan wrote: For example, if we hand out CDs at conventions etc, we would have to also hand out source CDs. As my reply there, however, Gentoo does still have it better than most, in that the LiveCDs contain relatively few binaries, and they tend to be

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-01 Thread Duncan
Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 01 Jul 2006 11:14:37 +0200: On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:53:42 + (UTC) Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding