Re: [gentoo-dev] Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 16 May 2009 11:28:57 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: Why do we let utterly *useless* discussions eat into our precious developer time? Why is it that this thread has 500 replies Because the way Gentoo works, any objection to a proposal, valid or not, whether or not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Richard Freeman
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Let's not blatantly ignore our REAL problems. We can no longer afford to maintain the status-quo of pedantic masturbatory discussions on the finer points of ebuild formats. We cannot AFFORD to look the other way while the distro rots away. What exactly is your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: Because the way Gentoo works, any objection to a proposal, valid or not, whether or not it's already been addressed, has to be answered before a proposal gets anywhere. Thus, every time people post nonsense

Re: [gentoo-dev] Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 16 May 2009 15:13:50 -0600 Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: If the author had documented these objections and the answers in the glep then it would have made it possible to avoid most of what you call the nonsense. Except that at the last Council meeting, there were complaints

Re: [gentoo-dev] Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: Except that at the last Council meeting, there were complaints that objections *had* been included and discussed in the GLEP, and claims that including such material made the GLEP less clear. As unfortunate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 16 May 2009 15:27:59 -0600 Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: This is another of those issues where whichever way it's done, some people complain. As long as you go by the rules those who complain about you doing so are wrong. I've been told you were not the kind who was

[gentoo-dev] Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-15 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
Why do we let utterly *useless* discussions eat into our precious developer time? Why is it that this thread has 500 replies, but Mart's maintainer-wanted thread has less than 10? I *do not care* if the ebuild format will not be properly extensible when the need arises. We'll cross that bridge