Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-04 Thread Richard Fish
On 9/3/06, Luis Francisco Araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Fish wrote: The problem I see is that for Gentoo the releases are not really useful milestones for most projects. A release is really significant That is not a problem. That is a feature. A small clarification may be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-04 Thread Richard Fish
On 9/3/06, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really wish people would take the time to either ask the Release Engineering team, or learn how we work before they go off making accusations against us. There was no accusation there. I picked on X only for its popularity and relative

[gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-03 Thread Wiktor Wandachowicz
Richard Fish wrote: I suppose that there is a way that Gentoo can follow, only that its leaders, developers and users need to see it clearly. Is there a publicly visible page that contains current goals for new releases? Where all sub-project leaders could add their own goals, coherent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-03 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo
Richard Fish wrote: On 9/2/06, Wiktor Wandachowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose that there is a way that Gentoo can follow, only that its leaders, developers and users need to see it clearly. Is there a publicly visible page that contains current goals for new releases? Where all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 07:15 +, Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: But to be honest, stabilization of packages was not my point. ((BTW, stable X.org, KDE or GNOME would IMO delay the release for a week, so users wouldn't need to upgrade in such a short time frame - but that's what I think)) People

[gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-02 Thread Wiktor Wandachowicz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: When I think about where Gentoo was when we turned into a democracy years ago, and where Gentoo is now, I don't see much of a difference on the large scale. We lack any global vision for where Gentoo is going, we can't agree on who our audience is, and everyone's just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-09-02 Thread Richard Fish
On 9/2/06, Wiktor Wandachowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose that there is a way that Gentoo can follow, only that its leaders, developers and users need to see it clearly. Is there a publicly visible page that contains current goals for new releases? Where all sub-project leaders could add

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-28 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2006.08.27 22:37, Duncan wrote: Roy Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], [snip] If the council are to undertake the management of Gentoo, its terms of reference need to be drastically altered to allow them to undertake the management process defined above. In short,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-27 Thread Duncan
Roy Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:28:04 +0100: I think the problem(s) stem from the way Gentoo is organised now. I'm sure you will shoot me down if I'm wrong. In summary. Gentoo is a loose knit group of packages with individuals

[gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-26 Thread Duncan
Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:17:03 +0200: Quit assuming I mean anything, you're batting zero for two right now. What's the problem? I wasn't sure how you meant it, so i assumed you meant it that way. As for batting zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-26 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Duncan wrote: Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:17:03 +0200: Quit assuming I mean anything, you're batting zero for two right now. What's the problem? I wasn't sure how you meant it, so i assumed you meant it that way. As for