[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-16 Thread Steve Long
Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote: We are always ready to listen to feedback and constructive criticism, but your constant trolling against the forums can't be classified as such. IMO ciaran has definitely been trolling this list and it's doing my head in. Is there anyone else who feels the same,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-16 Thread Duncan
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:41:50 +: Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote: We are always ready to listen to feedback and constructive criticism, but your constant trolling against the forums can't be classified as such. IMO

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-16 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Long wrote: Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote: We are always ready to listen to feedback and constructive criticism, but your constant trolling against the forums can't be classified as such. IMO ciaran has definitely been trolling this list and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-16 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 16/03/07, Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote: We are always ready to listen to feedback and constructive criticism, but your constant trolling against the forums can't be classified as such. IMO ciaran has definitely been trolling this list and it's doing my head

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-16 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:41:50 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO ciaran has definitely been trolling this list and it's doing my head in. Is there anyone else who feels the same, strongly enough to risk his ire? If you think Ciaran is trolling, just ignore him. Be part of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 00:50 +, Steve Long wrote: Jakob Buchgraber wrote: So I just think something has to be changed e.g. making paludis an official gentoo project and mentioning it in the docs, but keep portage as the default pm. If portage can't get improved, then people have to get

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Long
George Prowse wrote: Caleb Cushing wrote: How about the speed of search's? the speed of resolving dependancy's? how about the speed that it takes to calculate a dependancy listing after you've already done it once? portage is SLOW. So speed... Re: speed of searches, try qsearch from

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Long
Warwick Bruce Chapman wrote: I'm not sure that differs much from the meaning I interpreted from Ciaran's point. I read antarus' point as: without a happy dev community you won't achieve a quality distro. Ciaran seems to be saying you can, and *then* everyone will be happy. That sounds like

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Which, even if it were true, is besides the point if doing so prevents any development from getting done. And just how much development gets done on the forums? No development gets done on here either. Discussion does. Development happens when people aren't getting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 15/03/07, Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No development gets done on here either. Discussion does. Development happens when people aren't getting drawn into long flames about the distro they use, which only clog up peoples' inboxes. Are you suggesting a dev forum on forums.gentoo.org?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:30:01 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Which, even if it were true, is besides the point if doing so prevents any development from getting done. And just how much development gets done on the forums? No development gets done on here

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Long
Alec Warner wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Portage. Portage is being incrementally improved. My understanding was that the portage team can't move forward with a new version until EAPI0 is done? I also think either you are ignoring the changes or you are just unaware of things that the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:42:17 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alec Warner wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Portage. Portage is being incrementally improved. My understanding was that the portage team can't move forward with a new version until EAPI0 is done? Entirely untrue. Even

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:42:17 + Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding was that the portage team can't move forward with a new version until EAPI0 is done? They can't move forward with changes that break ebuild compatibility until EAPI-0 is documented and EAPI-1 can start to

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Long
Jakob Buchgraber wrote: So I just think something has to be changed e.g. making paludis an official gentoo project and mentioning it in the docs, but keep portage as the default pm. If portage can't get improved, then people have to get informed that there is a better alternative, because I