Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/15/2012 06:15 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 15 July 2012 04:46, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: understand that quizzes is not an ideal way to hire people either, but they worked ok for all these years I don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Theo Chatzimichos
On Saturday 14 of July 2012 10:32:04 Markos Chandras wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dear Gentoo Community, If you are not a recruit, mentor, or wannabe mentor you may stop reading now. We (recruiters) decided to revert back to the quizzes for the recruitment

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Peter Stuge
(Please consider quoting only what is relevant. Thanks!) Markos Chandras wrote: In my opinion, the quizzes contain all the knowledge that is required for someone to start developing for Gentoo. Yes, maybe it requires too much knowledge So which is it? All that is required or too much? Also,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:15:26 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: The first time I did the quizzes, it took me 9 months. After having been away for a couple of years, I recently returned as Gentoo dev, and the second time I did the quizzes it took me 3 months. I've seen others take a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: I've been managing my own overlay and a few private ones for a few years now, all while using catalyst to build more or less customized Linux systems for me and for others. I dive into bugzilla when a bug bites, and I'll

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:15:26 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: The first time I did the quizzes, it took me 9 months. After having been away for a couple of years, I recently returned as Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:27, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:15:26 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: The first time I did the quizzes, it took me 9 months. After having been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:45:25 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: It's not that it takes all that much time. It can be done in say one or two workdays. But you need to set aside a block of time (and usually two, one for each of the quizzes, or more if you need to break it up or iterate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Peter Stuge
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: you need to set aside a block of time (and usually two ...and you don't need to be able to put in that level of attention every now and again when you're a developer? Not the same amount of meta time, no. I agree with the estimate of about two days for the quizzes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:50, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:45:25 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: It's not that it takes all that much time. It can be done in say one or two workdays. But you need to set aside a block of time (and usually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: less idiotic idiots such as perhaps myself need years because we're doing whatever work as opposed to learning foundation bylaws by heart. Well, I don't think the bylaws are a terribly important topic for the quizzes, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/15/2012 11:11 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: (Please consider quoting only what is relevant. Thanks!) Markos Chandras wrote: In my opinion, the quizzes contain all the knowledge that is required for someone to start developing for Gentoo. Yes,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Certainly. But it is likely much more interesting work and has considerably more impact. The mentoring period and the review have considerable impact too. Whether you think one is more important than the other depends on you

[gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-14 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dear Gentoo Community, If you are not a recruit, mentor, or wannabe mentor you may stop reading now. We (recruiters) decided to revert back to the quizzes for the recruitment process. The web application does not work as we expected. There are a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Hi, Markos Chandras wrote: We (recruiters) decided to revert back to the quizzes for the recruitment process. The web application does not work as we expected. I've been considering recruitment for many years and I made my first effort to prepare for recruitment about two years ago, but I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 04:46, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: understand that quizzes is not an ideal way to hire people either, but they worked ok for all these years I don't know.. Subjectively I don't think they work ok at all, since I still haven't finished them even