Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:14:08 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Owen wrote: From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use flags are completely and utterly obvious as to what they mean, and there is no confusion about them. Adding a plain qt flag in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:14:08 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Owen wrote: From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use flags are completely and utterly obvious as to what they mean, and there is no confusion about them. Adding

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Am I making sense? This looks a lot like the gtk/gtk2 flags, but inverted; according to use.desc, gtk builds gtk+-1 unless gtk2 is set, whereas the above builds highest version compatible with the package unless a lower version is specifically

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Caleb Tennis wrote: I would personally like to stay with just the qt use flag. The use flag will be for support of whichever version of Qt is supported (v3 or v4) for the particular emerge. In the cases where more than one version is supported, it should be for Qt4 only. The Qt3 version

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread George Shapovalov
середа, 21. червень 2006 03:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò Ви написали: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 03:34, Donnie Berkholz wrote: OK, so we can add qt3 to make.defaults. -* says nothing to you? :) Now I am confused: My understanding of that proposal was that qt3 is meant to mean prefer qt3 over

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:25:42 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:14:08 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Thanks for the clarification The goal is to avoid a double-flag combo to do a single thing. qt always

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.17 kernel stabilisation plan

2006-06-21 Thread Lars Weiler
* Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/06/20 18:12 +0100]: I'm hoping to be able to mark 2.6.17 stable on or around July 11th. I'll give around a weeks notice here when that is to happen. Hopefully we'll use this for the 2006.1 release too. Would be great when ppc can profit from that kernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 10:58, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: ok; so in gtk-land we have gtk2 to prefer the newer interface whereas the proposal for qt/qt3 is to have a specific flag for the older interface.  I do prefer the qt/qt3 approach, even though it's inconsistent with what happens on gtk. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.17 kernel stabilisation plan

2006-06-21 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 12:25 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote: * Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/06/20 18:12 +0100]: I'm hoping to be able to mark 2.6.17 stable on or around July 11th. I'll give around a weeks notice here when that is to happen. Hopefully we'll use this for the 2006.1

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Caleb Tennis
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 12:40, Stefan Schweizer wrote: Hi, with kde4 approaching and the new Qt-4 being in the tree we suddenly see the same problems that gtk had with the gtk2 flag again. I think there's a lot of good thoughts surrounding how to handle this. There are 2 categories of

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Caleb Tennis wrote: On Tuesday 20 June 2006 12:40, Stefan Schweizer wrote: Hi, with kde4 approaching and the new Qt-4 being in the tree we suddenly see the same problems that gtk had with the gtk2 flag again. I think there's a lot of good thoughts surrounding how to handle this. There

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
George Shapovalov wrote: середа, 21. червень 2006 03:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò Ви написали: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 03:34, Donnie Berkholz wrote: OK, so we can add qt3 to make.defaults. -* says nothing to you? :) Now I am confused: My understanding of that proposal was that qt3 is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: The goal is to avoid a double-flag combo to do a single thing. qt always and only affects the _best_ available qt interface for that package. qt# affects only _older_ available qt interfaces for that package. OK; so with this we're not providing a way to get an only

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 15:21, Caleb Tennis wrote: Solution: The qt flag represents the latest qt major version for the package.   The maintainer can either put in another flag for the older version (qt3?) or provide a separate package (e.g. dbus-qt3 ). Although I can see why you suggest this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stefan Schweizer wrote: Why you ask? Because a user does not care if packageX uses qt3 or qt4, he just wants to use it. But why do we have two useflags then? Because the user should be able to disable optional support for either qt3 or qt4 or both for every package. There's a significant

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Caleb Tennis
Caleb Tennis wrote: qt3 - enable optional qt3 support qt4 - enable optional qt4 support Maybe I just need a little time to warm up to this. :) Caleb -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-wireless/bluez-kernel

2006-06-21 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
Hi, The net-wireless/bluez-kernel package is no longer supported by upstream and the current release (from Nov 2002) doesn't build with recent kernels (bug #132600). The replacement for this package is the in-kernel bluetooth drivers. If nobody objects I'll package.mask net-wireless/bluez-kernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 15:44, Stefan Schweizer wrote: qt3 and qt4 is being used there already and it is obvious It's nice to invent new use flags affecting Qt stuff without contacting those who care for Qt. 2) A package requires either Qt3 or Qt4 (both not both?...such as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 05:20:47PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 15:44, Stefan Schweizer wrote: qt3 - enable optional qt3 support qt4 - enable optional qt4 support That will be a mess to support in the long run. Why? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.17 kernel stabilisation plan

2006-06-21 Thread Lars Weiler
* Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/06/21 08:55 -0400]: Start testing 2.6.17 in your builds now, then. I already do. Umm... Come hang out in #gentoo-releng again and you'll see that we have a (masked) genkernel in the tree that solves all of these headaches. Sorry, I had some

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.17 kernel stabilisation plan

2006-06-21 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 19:30 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote: I know, because I've been building on ppc for the past few weeks making sure all of this worked so you wouldn't have trouble once we started the release. Unless you mean Pegasos, which is busted on 2.6.16, genkernel or not, and I've

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 15:44, Stefan Schweizer wrote: qt3 and qt4 is being used there already and it is obvious It's nice to invent new use flags affecting Qt stuff without contacting those who care for Qt. 2) A package requires either Qt3 or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Caleb Tennis
qt - GLOBAL use flag that causes the package to build against the good version for that package. qt3, qt4... - LOCAL use flags to build against specific versions of qt when it makes sense on a per-package basis and when it's deemed to be reasonable by the package maintainer. Easy to keep

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:22:21PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: That makes for highly irreproduceable builds and particularly screws with building packages on one machine and expecting them to work on another. Same as autodetecting in configure scripts, except worse because now we're doing it

[gentoo-dev] GLEP ?? - Gentoo Knowledge Base

2006-06-21 Thread Sven Vermeulen
Hi folks I've just sent the GLEP to the GLEP editors so they can give it a nice number, but you'll find the text at http://dev.gentoo.org/~swift/tmp/kbase-glep.html as well. The GLEP covers the requirements I'd like to put on the Knowledge Base (KB). I didn't get much response on it on the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Duncan
Caleb Tennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:03:21 -0400: [Stefan Schweizer wrote...] qt3 - enable optional qt3 support qt4 - enable optional qt4 support Maybe I just need a little time to warm up to this. :) This seems simplest here,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 6/21/06, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caleb Tennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:03:21 -0400: [Stefan Schweizer wrote...] qt3 - enable optional qt3 support qt4 - enable optional qt4 support Maybe I just need a little time to warm

[gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: app-admin/scotty]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1]. I spent about 30 minutes looking at them and solving them is not as simple as I'd first hoped, I asked trelane to double check my logic and he came to a similar conclusion. As such with no maintainer or herd this package is scheduled for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: app-admin/scotty]

2006-06-21 Thread Joshua Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What no! not scotty. Who's going to beam us all up now and repair the ship in half the time that he says it'll take! Alec Warner wrote: Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1]. I spent about 30 minutes looking at them and solving them

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: app-admin/scotty]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
Joshua Jackson wrote: What no! not scotty. Who's going to beam us all up now and repair the ship in half the time that he says it'll take! vapier? Alec Warner wrote: Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1]. I spent about 30 minutes looking at them and solving them is not as

[gentoo-dev] [Last Rites media-tv/zapping]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
media-tv/zapping needs a revbump[1], needs a version that compiles and works, and is currently unmaintained. I have masked it for removal in 30 days. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27515 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] VNC packages need your help [pre-emptive last rites]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Specifically net-misc/vnc and net-misc/xf4vnc have 6 and 5 bugs open respectively. These packages need help, I'm sure there are many users and developers who are interested in vnc. The current maintainer is aliz. Part of this mail is trying to

[gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: net-misc/freenet6]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This packages has no metadata.xml, no herd, and no maintainer. It has many open bugs[1][2][3][4][5] It will be pmasked and then sent out of the tree after 30 days. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32779 [2]

[gentoo-dev] Re: [Last Rites: net-misc/freenet6]

2006-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: This packages has no metadata.xml, no herd, and no maintainer. It has many open bugs[1][2][3][4][5] It will be pmasked and then sent out of the tree after 30 days. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32779 [2]

Re: [gentoo-dev] VNC packages need your help [pre-emptive last rites]

2006-06-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 22 June 2006 00:54, Alec Warner wrote: Specifically net-misc/vnc i'll fix this up if no one else does since it is a pretty friggin critical package for too many people (myself included), but i'd really really prefer someone else to do it -mike pgpR2wJD0OtiQ.pgp Description: PGP