Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 13:15, Alin Nastac wrote: Unless you save the specific compatibility version of the net-dialup/ppp used by net-dialup/pptpd for building the package, I don't see how can it help me. Judging after /var/db/pkg content, I have no such information. it is all there

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:41, Duncan Coutts wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 11:11 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:56, Duncan Coutts wrote: If we do go in this direction it'd be great to be able to slot on the ABI and still have dependencies resolved

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 06:35, Duncan Coutts wrote: I was worried from your ABI/API comments that you meant that we should never be allowed to do it. i was commenting on the more general case; SLOTing something that wasnt meant to be SLOTed -mike pgpQseGjV9xuk.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 06:20:44AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:08, Brian Harring wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:43:11AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: i'm referring to the specific file of course, not anything else in the package ... so integrating the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:14, Brian Harring wrote: You're assuming that after the merge of the pkg that breaks compatibility, building is actually _still_ possible for the depends. of course i am; i just said that portage would make sure to not unmerge any ABI lib still in use We

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:50, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:14, Brian Harring wrote: We don't classify our deps as actual build depends vs link depends; as such trying to (essentially) patch things up after allow for the scenario where merging breaks the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Alin Nastac
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 13:15, Alin Nastac wrote: Unless you save the specific compatibility version of the net-dialup/ppp used by net-dialup/pptpd for building the package, I don't see how can it help me. Judging after /var/db/pkg content, I have no such

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 09:50:12AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:14, Brian Harring wrote: You're assuming that after the merge of the pkg that breaks compatibility, building is actually _still_ possible for the depends. of course i am; i just said that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:24, Alin Nastac wrote: I see only libraries in NEEDED and it is probably generated automatically. There is no way for the automatic tools to discover the dependency between pptpd and ppp version. that gets back to ABI versus dynamic plugins ... we already know

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 10:34:03AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:24, Alin Nastac wrote: I see only libraries in NEEDED and it is probably generated automatically. There is no way for the automatic tools to discover the dependency between pptpd and ppp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

2006-09-23 Thread Christoph Mende
No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag, those packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation.2006/9/24, Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Mike Frysinger wrote: oss is dead, why bother going with it in default USE anymore ?alsa forever ! i think the standard argument

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

2006-09-23 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 24 September 2006 00:13, Christoph Mende wrote: No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag, those packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation. That requires oss useflag on alsa-driver. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

2006-09-23 Thread Christoph Mende
Well ok, I don't use alsa-driver ;)2006/9/24, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sunday 24 September 2006 00:13, Christoph Mende wrote: No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag, those packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation.That requires oss

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

2006-09-23 Thread Vlastimil Babka
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Sunday 24 September 2006 00:13, Christoph Mende wrote: No game I've installed here needs any package with the oss USE flag, those packages that use OSS are fine the ALSA OSS Emulation. That requires oss useflag on alsa-driver. How bout changing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: default USE flags in profiles (oss)

2006-09-23 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 24 September 2006 03:21, Vlastimil Babka wrote: How bout changing this flag to aoss and making it new default instead of oss? mozilla-launcher already has an aoss flag. A flag that I don't like at all, as it should have probably been alsa, but it was difficult to implement without

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:01:40 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:54, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | Yes, I agree with you. For example, take expat. The maintainers have | refused to allow both versions to exist simultaneously on a system | because it