[gentoo-dev] New USE flags documentation
Hi all: I've read on the planet the recently included support to document USE flags in metadata. Seems like it was an idea from flameeyes and cardoe, discussed on the planet [1][2] and performed by -infra (bug #199788). While planet is a good medium to share ideas and get contributors, seems to me like we need a more official way to discuss this kind of 'global' ideas before make them real. Or at least drop a note on -dev-announce explaining the new feature and telling devs and users this is now officially supported. I'm not asking for an extra overhead of 'bureaucracy' (write specs, mailling @dev, send to the council, etc.) but a bit more of communication would be appreciated: Is the feature ready to be used? Is there any kind of documentation (aside of DTD)? It will replace use.desc? Thanks. [1] http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/11/24/proposing-more-use-flag-documentation [2] http://blog.cardoe.com/archives/2007/11/23/metadataxml-updates-examples/ -- Jose Luis Rivero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo/Doc Gentoo/Alpha -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New USE flags documentation
While planet is a good medium to share ideas and get contributors, seems to me like we need a more official way to discuss this kind of 'global' ideas before make them real. Or at least drop a note on -dev-announce explaining the new feature and telling devs and users this is now officially supported. yoswink, thanks for bringing the discussion to gentoo-dev - i was not aware of such an effort. Is the feature ready to be used? Is there any kind of documentation (aside of DTD)? It will replace use.desc? the idea is really great IMHO and the implementation is pretty straight forward. thanks to flameeyes and cardoe for putting their heads together. now this needs to be extended and made mandatory for all ebuilds. in order to reduce the workload the global useflags should only be documented once - while still allowing ebuilds to extend (or even override?) the global description. great stuff all around. happy hacking Thilo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] New USE flags documentation
Jose Luis Rivero wrote: Hi all: I've read on the planet the recently included support to document USE flags in metadata. Seems like it was an idea from flameeyes and cardoe, discussed on the planet [1][2] and performed by -infra (bug #199788). While planet is a good medium to share ideas and get contributors, seems to me like we need a more official way to discuss this kind of 'global' ideas before make them real. Or at least drop a note on -dev-announce explaining the new feature and telling devs and users this is now officially supported. Thank you for taking the time to announce it to gentoo-dev since I haven't had the time with my family being here for the holidays to do such. I'll take care of the e-mail to gentoo-dev-announce though. I'm not asking for an extra overhead of 'bureaucracy' (write specs, mailling @dev, send to the council, etc.) but a bit more of communication would be appreciated: All the above is completely unnecessary and I would be happy to discuss details with you off list. Is the feature ready to be used? Is there any kind of documentation (aside of DTD)? It will replace use.desc? Well the first question you answered yourself. You linked to a post I wrote describing live commits I made to the tree using this feature. As far as documentation, you will find that in your Gentoo Developer's Handbook [3], but most likely you'll say But Doug, I don't see anything on these new changes. That's because the new changes have not been updated yet, again with the holiday's about it takes a little bit to get things done. Once the documentation is updated I had planned on sending an e-mail to gentoo-dev and gentoo-dev-announce. As far as replacing use.desc, that is doubtful but a possibility of replacing use.local.desc is within consideration. However this would be in the distant future and we would have to see how the new features are used and evolve. Thanks. [1] http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/11/24/proposing-more-use-flag-documentation [2] http://blog.cardoe.com/archives/2007/11/23/metadataxml-updates-examples/ [3] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2chap=4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New USE flags documentation
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:19:55 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jose Luis Rivero wrote: Is the feature ready to be used? Is there any kind of documentation (aside of DTD)? It will replace use.desc? Well the first question you answered yourself. You linked to a post I wrote describing live commits I made to the tree using this feature. ...which is all very well, but have you added support to the various programs that handle use flags for this new functionality? Really, you should have gone for a GLEP for this -- as previous metadata GLEPs have shown, it doesn't take long to go through the GLEP process and it results in substantially better decisions. The proposal as you implemented it isn't perfect -- in particular, pkg the way you've done it isn't an optimal solution (think version operators and so on -- how are they to be handled?). And what about referring to other named USE flags, either globally or those associated with a particular package? Please revert the commits and go back and follow the proper process here. Whilst it's nice to see things I suggested years ago finally getting somewhere, it'd be better to see it done to its full potential. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Good-bye
Dear Gentoo Devs and Users, The time has finally come for me to resign from Gentoo. I've been meaning to do it for many months now, but the logistics took a little bit of time. Effective Monday, Nov. 26, I will no longer consider myself an official Gentoo developer. Before then I will make commits to two or so packages for which James Rowe is the official maintainer and I was his proxy. Justin Bronder (jsbronder) has agreed to take over the proxy maintainership for them. I've been here a long time and I've made many many friends (and, I suppose, a few enemies). For both, I'm grateful. There are too many people to thank -- you all know who you are :P. I'll be subscribed to this list for a while, and of course, I'll still be on IRC in various channels. For those of you wishing to maintain email contact with me, I can be reached at: seemant (at) kulleen (dot) org I hope that the fun in Gentoo will return soon. It certainly seems like there's been a positive tide turning as of late, so I leave with optimism. Be well, everyone. Thanks, Seemant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Good-bye
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seemant Kulleen wrote: Dear Gentoo Devs and Users, The time has finally come for me to resign from Gentoo. I've been meaning to do it for many months now, but the logistics took a little bit of time. Effective Monday, Nov. 26, I will no longer consider myself an official Gentoo developer. Before then I will make commits to two or so packages for which James Rowe is the official maintainer and I was his proxy. Justin Bronder (jsbronder) has agreed to take over the proxy maintainership for them. I've been here a long time and I've made many many friends (and, I suppose, a few enemies). For both, I'm grateful. There are too many people to thank -- you all know who you are :P. :( Where's Uncle Seemant when we need him to convince someone to stay on Gentoo? Uncle Seemant, please have a little talk with Seemant. I'll be subscribed to this list for a while, and of course, I'll still be on IRC in various channels. For those of you wishing to maintain email contact with me, I can be reached at: seemant (at) kulleen (dot) org I hope that the fun in Gentoo will return soon. It certainly seems like there's been a positive tide turning as of late, so I leave with optimism. Be well, everyone. Seemant, it was a pleasure to talk with you and I will certainly miss your presence around here. Best wishes for your future endeavours. I do hope the Gentoo bug catches you soon again, though ;-) Thanks, Seemant Be well! - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / SPARC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSHH/cAWygvVEyAIRAgjMAJ9x7skeXFUVEO4njWRE6KJGSOa/ZwCeLytV FiHcnR1ugOHbeEwFfkSJ3b0= =RZ88 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Add USE_EXPAND for apache
Hi all, the current behaviour of the apache ebuild -- chosing built-in modules based on /etc/apache2/apache-builtin-mods -- is very aweful, especially for binary packages. Therefore, i would like to add APACHE2_MODULES and APACHE2_MPMS to USE_EXPAND. I have already converted the ebuild in my local overlay and it works fine. Currently, there are over 60 modules available in apache. Out of these, a good default would look like this IMO: APACHE2_MODULES=actions alias auth_basic auth_digest authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack version vhost_alias If noone objects, I will make these changes to base/make.defaults and commit the new ebuild during the next week. Regards, Benedikt signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-cluster/torque/files: pbs_sched-init.d-2.2.1 digest-torque-2.2.1 torque-conf.d-2.2.1 pbs_mom-init.d-2.2.1 torque-env.d-2.2.1 pbs_server-init.
On 17:47 Sat 24 Nov , Justin Bronder (jsbronder) wrote: 1.1 sys-cluster/torque/files/torque-conf.d-2.2.1 file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-cluster/torque/files/torque-conf.d-2.2.1?rev=1.1view=markup plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-cluster/torque/files/torque-conf.d-2.2.1?rev=1.1content-type=text/plain Index: torque-conf.d-2.2.1 === # This is the default server-home set by the ebuild and upstream # If you change this, be sure to fix /etc/env.d/25torque as well. PBS_SERVER_HOME=/var/spool/torque This may be crazy, but could the env.d file grab this variable from here so it doesn't need to be duplicated? And further, could the ebuild also grab it from somewhere? Thanks, Donnie -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Add USE_EXPAND for apache
2007-11-24 19:51:23 Benedikt Böhm napisał(a): the current behaviour of the apache ebuild -- chosing built-in modules based on /etc/apache2/apache-builtin-mods -- is very aweful, especially for binary packages. Therefore, i would like to add APACHE2_MODULES and APACHE2_MPMS to USE_EXPAND. What with static modules? Will they be available? Currently, there are over 60 modules available in apache. Out of these, a good default would look like this IMO: APACHE2_MODULES=actions alias auth_basic auth_digest authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack version vhost_alias You could also add access_compat, authn_core and authz_core. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] New USE flags documentation
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:10:58 +0100 Thilo Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the idea is really great [...] now this needs to be [...] made mandatory for all ebuilds. Uh, what? Why? If the idea is that great, then why does it need to be mandatory? Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Good-bye
On 12:39 Sat 24 Nov , Seemant Kulleen wrote: The time has finally come for me to resign from Gentoo. I've been meaning to do it for many months now, but the logistics took a little bit of time. Effective Monday, Nov. 26, I will no longer consider myself an official Gentoo developer. Before then I will make commits to two or so packages for which James Rowe is the official maintainer and I was his proxy. Justin Bronder (jsbronder) has agreed to take over the proxy maintainership for them. I've been here a long time and I've made many many friends (and, I suppose, a few enemies). For both, I'm grateful. There are too many people to thank -- you all know who you are :P. I'll be subscribed to this list for a while, and of course, I'll still be on IRC in various channels. For those of you wishing to maintain email contact with me, I can be reached at: seemant (at) kulleen (dot) org I hope that the fun in Gentoo will return soon. It certainly seems like there's been a positive tide turning as of late, so I leave with optimism. Seemant, You've been a great role model ever since I joined Gentoo under your mentorship. I've learned a lot from you, and your influence has shaped both me and Gentoo as a whole. Thanks for all the fun. I look forward to bringing it to a new generation of Gentoo's community. Donnie -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Add USE_EXPAND for apache
On Saturday 24 November 2007 20:42:01 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: 2007-11-24 19:51:23 Benedikt Böhm napisał(a): the current behaviour of the apache ebuild -- chosing built-in modules based on /etc/apache2/apache-builtin-mods -- is very aweful, especially for binary packages. Therefore, i would like to add APACHE2_MODULES and APACHE2_MPMS to USE_EXPAND. What with static modules? Will they be available? yes, you can still USE=static globally, but it is not possible to decide per module anymore ... Currently, there are over 60 modules available in apache. Out of these, a good default would look like this IMO: APACHE2_MODULES=actions alias auth_basic auth_digest authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack version vhost_alias You could also add access_compat, authn_core and authz_core. these do not exist in apache 2.2 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Good-bye
Seemant, On Nov 24, 2007 6:39 PM, Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The time has finally come for me to resign from Gentoo. I've been meaning to do it for many months now, but the logistics took a little bit of time. Effective Monday, Nov. 26, I will no longer consider myself an official Gentoo developer. This would have been a shock if we hadn't discussed this a few months ago already. Gentoo will miss you, and I will miss you. You were one of the unfortunately rare among us who could see and care about the human being that a dev is. Take care. I'll see you around on irc. Denis. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: TeXLive modular ebuilds ready(?) for the main portage tree
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Alexis Ballier wrote: I would be strongly in favour of adding also the tex-base virtual. +1 [...] If nobody is against it, feel free to commit this (with or without cstetex, as you wish, I'll kill references to it before removing it anyway); or I'll do it when I'll have some time, most likely this week end. virtual/tex-base committed, since there were no voices against it. Ulrich -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Add USE_EXPAND for apache
Benedikt Böhm wrote: Hi all, the current behaviour of the apache ebuild -- chosing built-in modules based on /etc/apache2/apache-builtin-mods -- is very aweful, especially for binary packages. Therefore, i would like to add APACHE2_MODULES and APACHE2_MPMS to USE_EXPAND. I have already converted the ebuild in my local overlay and it works fine. Currently, there are over 60 modules available in apache. Out of these, a good default would look like this IMO: APACHE2_MODULES=actions alias auth_basic auth_digest authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack version vhost_alias If noone objects, I will make these changes to base/make.defaults and commit the new ebuild during the next week. If this goes through, please look over our existing apache-related documentation and file a bug with any necessary changes. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-upgrading.xml [2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml, mostly chapter 9 [3] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-troubleshooting.xml Thanks! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Good-bye
Seemant Kulleen wrote: The time has finally come for me to resign from Gentoo. A sad day for Gentoo :-( May the Force be with you! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
