Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Michal Kurgan
On Sat, 31 May 2008 02:17:48 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 03:03:42 +0200 Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Which is where the design flaw is -- as-needed incorrectly assumes that the only type of dependency between shared

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Roy Marples
On Saturday 31 May 2008 00:16:31 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ok, then everything in the tree is covered and we can move to having --as-needed as default. Is the next version of everything in the tree covered? Have you made sure that software isn't merely working by fluke? We interupt this

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Peter Volkov
В Птн, 30/05/2008 в 20:28 -0700, Brian Harring пишет: Either way, basically it's coming down to if gentoo wants to follow the definition of 'academic' right, or 'pragmatic' right. Exempting ciaran, vote seems to be pragmatic. Well, although I've asked about problems with having --as-needed

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Mike Frysinger wrote: net-ftp/ncftp i can take this one wkr, Tobias signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 01:09 Sat 31 May , Mike Frysinger wrote: I'd like to advocate for interested people to pick up a few of these. net-misc/ntp It would be good if someone took this, because a ton of people use it. net-misc/dropbear sys-libs/uclibc I'd really like for someone to pick these up, since

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Raúl Porcel
Mike Frysinger wrote: net-misc/vnc I already maintain that :P -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Tiziano Müller
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 01:09 Sat 31 May , Mike Frysinger wrote: I'd like to advocate for interested people to pick up a few of these. net-misc/ntp might be a candidate for the sysadmin-herd. Cheers, Tiziano -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 31 May 2008 11:14:33 Luca Barbato wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Fact: the underlying issue is a libtool bug. Wrong, it isn't just that, --as-needed and libtool are unrelated. The issue that as-needed tries to solve is libraries being linked to binaries or other libraries that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Luca Barbato
Peter Volkov wrote: В Птн, 30/05/2008 в 20:28 -0700, Brian Harring пишет: Either way, basically it's coming down to if gentoo wants to follow the definition of 'academic' right, or 'pragmatic' right. Exempting ciaran, vote seems to be pragmatic. Well, although I've asked about problems with

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Alexis Ballier
A. Convince the portage developers to put it in make.conf/make.defaults. By the way, I'm strongly opposed to this: it should be, at best, in the profiles. For instance, as long as bug #192403 isn't fixed, as-needed will cause *a lot* of build failures on fbsd since gcc specs are broken and

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 31 May 2008 04:26:39 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to jump in quickly; this thread is about adding --as-needed to the default CFLAGS. To get this accomplished you need to: A. Convince the portage developers to put it in make.conf/make.defaults. Wrong. We don't

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 31 May 2008 04:03:38 +0100: The correct fix is to make libtool only link to dependencies of dependencies when doing, for example, static linking. Debian has a half-working patch for this that I posted earlier

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Philip Webb
080531 Mike Frysinger wrote: many of these are low maintence ... i'd forgotten i was even listed under them as i havent seen a bug report in a long time. some i added (well probably too many) on a lark, so if they do end up being crappy and no one cares, i guess that's why we have a tree

[gentoo-dev] Re: packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Ali Polatel
Mike Frysinger yazmış: no herd: dev-libs/libtomcrypt dev-libs/libtomfloat dev-libs/libtommath dev-libs/libtompoly dev-libs/tomsfastmath I'll take these if noone else wants them. I use them from time to time for my studies. -- Regards, Ali Polatel pgpzikkFYJLHN.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 31 May 2008 01:09:33 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: net-ftp/ncftp Yoink! Kind regards, JeR -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Thilo Bangert
net-misc/ntp This is rather basic, isn't it ? It keeps your clock accurate. Is there any alternative ? net-misc/openntpd - by the OpenBSD folks... http://openntpd.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNTPD regards Thilo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

[gentoo-dev] Re: packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Ali Polatel
Thilo Bangert yazmış: net-misc/ntp This is rather basic, isn't it ? It keeps your clock accurate. Is there any alternative ? net-misc/openntpd - by the OpenBSD folks... http://openntpd.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNTPD Or net-misc/clockspeed :-) regards Thilo

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 01:09 Sat 31 May , Mike Frysinger wrote: I'd like to advocate for interested people to pick up a few of these. i think some of the herds are capable without a specific maintainer ... in this case, base-system and embedded wrt these three

[gentoo-dev] profile shift for arm/s390/sh from stable to dev

2008-05-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
ive made this shift in profiles.desc: sed -ir '/^(arm|s390|sh)/s:stable:dev:' profiles.desc if/when we get dedicated arch maintainers, they can think about shifting back -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le samedi 31 mai 2008 à 13:31 -0400, ben tucker a écrit : Hi Mike, I am a good candidate for taking over maintenance of these, as my day job is a security developer for the world's largest software delivery infrastructure company for remote applications :-). net-libs/libvncserver

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2008-05-31 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Sat, 31 May 2008, Philip Webb wrote: 080531 Mike Frysinger wrote: many of these are low maintence ... i'd forgotten i was even listed under them as i havent seen a bug report in a long time. some i added (well probably too many) on a lark, so if they do end up being crappy

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS

2008-05-31 Thread Ulrich Mueller
[Answering to some random message in this long thread.] On Sat, 31 May 2008, Brian Harring wrote: So... folks have pointed out a benefit to using --as-needed. The benefit itself doesn't seem particularly in dispute, analyze the fallout from it- if the best that is offered is the spec says

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS

2008-05-31 Thread Mike Auty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ulrich Mueller wrote: | But maybe Emacs is an uncommon application, or I am looking for the | wrong things? Could one of the experts please shed some light on this? I think you're looking for the wrong things. I'm not an expert, but I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] profile shift for arm/s390/sh from stable to dev

2008-05-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Mike Frysinger wrote: ive made this shift in profiles.desc: sed -ir '/^(arm|s390|sh)/s:stable:dev:' profiles.desc if/when we get dedicated arch maintainers, they can think about shifting back for the confused ... you should still be adding these arches for stable

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS

2008-05-31 Thread Duncan
Mike Auty [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 31 May 2008 20:32:42 +0100: I think you're looking for the wrong things. I'm not an expert, but I think --as-needed means that if there are 20 libraries on your system that use libexpat.so.0 and 400 programs that