Re: [gentoo-dev] Looking for help with kernel maintenance

2008-12-01 Thread Cheng Renquan
Oh, Daniel, I've found that thread that I've subscribed, On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to find one or more people to help out with gentoo-sources-2.6 > maintenance (our primary supported kernel). Right now, me and Mike Pagano do > mo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:35:32 -0700 Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My intention with the RFC was to see if the concept has any worth and > to kick it around a bit. I do not really see this as a deficiency in > Gentoo's technology (which I have a feeling is how many here have > interpret

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 22:51:57 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Experience, manpower, the ability to try out potential enhancements > rapidly, a long track record of getting it right and the growing > recognition that most people doing package manager work for Gentoo > aren't doing it with Portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Joe Peterson
Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > As others have said, there are already proper systems, documentation and > linking through other docs. Not finding this is what I'd call lazyness > or lack of google foo. Don't misunderstand me, some stuff can get ouf of > the radar of everyone, it's ok, real people a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Summarizing from what I've read in this thread it seems you want to find a way to help user find information s/he doesn't look for. If users aren't curious about their system they will sure have a hard time figuring out how to fix it if needs be. PORTAGE_ELOG_* isn't really that hard to find in t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:46:18 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That I found interesting - what does any 3rd party package manager to > do with setting policies and enhancements regarding official Gentoo > package manager? Experience, manpower, the ability to try out potential enha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 08:04:04 Duncan wrote: > (Of > course, if it's the latter, it will need to be an official GLEP, and > you'll have three separate package managers and their developers to push > the proposal thru to at least to general agreement, or the council will > almost certainly r

Re: [gentoo-dev] debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:39:35 +0300 Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This leads me to different conclusion. I was thinking about new > portage feature: emerge --info . So to make portage show not > only global information but per-package either. In many cases this > will simplify analyzin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-12-01 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Getting the bot out there > - > If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would > each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the > channel name, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for December

2008-12-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On 01 Dec 2008 05:30:01 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > Gentoo dev list to see. Please give the OK on the following, assuming no objections crop up be

[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for December

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 09:36:12 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > > - USE=debug is useless when CFLAGS/LDFLAGS or FEATURES are not > > appropriate > What are you saying here? I'm afraid you're mistaken here. The point is to look at this from users' (well, a bit) point of view - USE=debug

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you have a GUI on your system, give this a look: > app-portage/elogviewer That should help you a lot. I been using it > for a good while and it works pretty well. I do wish it had little > flags in the list of packages that have been installed. Sort of a > s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 08:04:04 Duncan wrote: Well, so far it's not GLEP, just an idea thrown to brainstorm. > As such, neither /etc/portage/env nor eclasses can effectively deal with > FEATURES in general, tho there are a few specific exceptions that do > happen to be implemented at the b

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
"Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That being said I still don't see the usefulness here. > > You seem to think that using the existing APIs for this data is wrong, > and I think the opposite, so I guess we will agree to disagree on this > matter. Yeah I still think that there is no poin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> - Space savings. Certainly your scheme may be smaller, but the XML >> tag overhead may eat into the savings. You should do some estimates >> to show the community

Re: [gentoo-dev] debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Volkov
В Пнд, 01/12/2008 в 06:16 +0100, Maciej Mrozowski пишет: > Currently handling debug/release builds is incoherent and misleading to say > the least. We have got in Gentoo: All that parts do their separate and quite a different work so I can't say that it's incoherent (by idea at least). > The dra

[gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Maciej Mrozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - USE=debug is useless when CFLAGS/LDFLAGS or FEATURES are not appropriate What are you saying here? I'm afraid you're mistaken here. For the most part, USE=debug means "enable debug code paths", which for lots of projects simply means "enable asse

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But also the need to replicate http://www.kde.org/ to metadata.xml of > all KDE split ebuilds -- right now, this is set by an eclass. The usefulness of this is IMHO debatable; why not just writing it one package (say kde-base/kde or kde-meta) and just the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
"Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - Space savings. Certainly your scheme may be smaller, but the XML > tag overhead may eat into the savings. You should do some estimates > to show the community how much smaller the tree will be from this > proposal. Sorry but you lost me on any point